thirdform

pass the sick bucket
all our relatives speculated about the turkish deep state in the 70s-80s. But something like antivaccer puerility just makes absolutely no sense to them. It's not speculation but a childish cowardice, an inability to man up and face the real world.
 

sufi

lala
fake conspiracies are like a fundamental component of politics

but maybe conspiracy culture could have started with the French revolution?
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
I don't have a problem with speculation. I'm not one of those types who doesn't have a view of history, and merely sees events as randomised happenings. Speculation is not the problem here so much as the offensive ability and the privilege to make this the mythos of your world outlook. Which is, in the final instance, existentialism and not materialism. @DannyL
I don't have a problem with speculation either. I object when it's not labeled as such. And also in a lot if not all instances, there is a determinable truth - someone pulled the trigger or dropped the gas cylinders and you uncover who it is.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
I think the point about disaster is an interesting reframe especially given the moral interpretations often attached.
 

version

Well-known member
That's not at all what I said, but nevermind.
I thought that was the argument? You said you had little tolerance for conspiracy stuff then I mentioned Gladio, Paperclip etc, you said that was different because they've been proven and I asked whether you'd have dismissed Gladio at the time, before it was proven, and you didn't really answer.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
Just once again, though, for anybody who is confused by what is going on here: please realise that Luke doesn't actually believe any of this shit or take it seriously at all, and anybody who thinks he does is being fooled. This is why nobody understands where he stands on any of this or why he can't be pinned down. It's because he doesn't stand anywhere and there is absolutely nothing to pin down.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
I thought that was the argument? You said you had little tolerance for conspiracy stuff then I mentioned Gladio, Paperclip etc, you said that was different because they've been proven and I asked whether you'd have dismissed Gladio at the time, before it was proven, and you didn't really answer.

I did answer. You're seem to have had a uncharacteristic memory lapse, Archivist.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Just once again, though, for anybody who is confused by what is going on here: please realise that Luke doesn't actually believe any of this shit or take it seriously at all, and anybody who thinks he does is being fooled. This is why nobody understands where he stands on any of this or why he can't be pinned down. It's because he doesn't stand anywhere and there is absolutely nothing to pin down.
I've said something like this before and he got very cross.

But I think you can't put so much effort into seeming serious about something without, at some level, taking it at least somewhat seriously. It's like Hamlet's antic disposition.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
Just once again, though, for anybody who is confused by what is going on here: please realise that Luke doesn't actually believe any of this shit or take it seriously at all, and anybody who thinks he does is being fooled. This is why nobody understands where he stands on any of this or why he can't be pinned down. It's because he doesn't stand anywhere and there is absolutely nothing to pin down.

I don't think he believes it either. I do think part of him enjoys seeing it fuck up society though. He's said as much. Schadenfreude.
 

version

Well-known member
Ah, here we go. Yeah, you did answer. You said your specific issue was with 9/11 theories. I stand corrected,
I specifically meant the 9/11 theories with that comment. I don't dismiss all conspiracy theories out of hand because there are conspiracies, obviously. I don't think it's that hard to make a judgement on the credibility gaps, unless you want it to be for some reason.
 
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