Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize

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IdleRich said:
I bet he's not too pleased about this whole thing
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I'm sure his immediate reaction was "oh, that's just f***ing great". the last thing he needs, really. I still think that backhanded rebuke stuff is a bit overly clever, Vim. reckon the Nobel committee were just smitten by his dashing good looks and witty repartee. maybe they caught a glimpse of him when he popped over to Copenhagen.
 
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IdleRich said:
Yeah, like when Hari Kunzru donated his Daily Mail prize to a charity for immigrants.
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Ha, excellent.

Wouldn't it be great if Kissinger sent his prize back in disgust, like WW2 veterans did with their medals when Mick Jagger was knighted?
 
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Mr. Tea said:
Ha, excellent.

Wouldn't it be great if Kissinger sent his prize back in disgust, like WW2 veterans did with their medals when Mick Jagger was knighted?
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As always, the Beatles got there first.

Jack Berg, Former Member of Canada's Parliament, Hector Dupuis, Stanley Ellis, Cyril Hearns, Douglas Moffit, Richard Pape, RAF Squadrom Leader Paul Pearson, David Evan Rees, and World War Veteran Col. George Wagg, return their MBE's in protest of The Beatles receiving theirs. The first recorded instances of anyone returning an MBE.
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crackerjack said:
As always, the Beatles got there first.
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Meh, that's what I was thinking of. Though Lennon refused his, didn't he? Dunno about the others.

Re. Obama, of course you can't ignore the psychological impact of this on other world leaders but they must surely recognise that he didn't ask for this award and couldn't realistically refuse it - he's still "merely" the president of the USA and has no greater or fewer executive powers than he did before.

Has there been much in the way of a "liberal bias!" outcry from Republicans yet? I'd be surprised if there wasn't some stupid wounded rebuke from at least one high profile right-wing tit or other...
 
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Mr. Tea said:
Meh, that's what I was thinking of. Though Lennon refused his, didn't he?
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In protest over Biafra, yup.

Has there been much in the way of a "liberal bias!" outcry from Republicans yet? I'd be surprised if there wasn't some stupid wounded rebuke from at least one high profile right-wing tit or other...
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I imagine it's taken as read that Nobel are a bunch of gay commie liberals (they are Swedes after all) who hate America and this just proves that Obama is a foreigner and a Muslim and literally Hitler.
 
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Any GOP partisan worth his or her salt is going to be wailing all over Obama on the back of this. And indeed they are.

For the five Norwegian parliamentarians who make up the Nobel Committee, Obama is a godsend. They look at him and see a version of themselves — a self-consciously sophisticated internationalist appalled by America for much of this decade and committed to constraining its power in a net of international organizations. Except Obama happens to be the president of the United States. This is a near miracle, and one the committee couldn’t ignore.

Given this context, Obama should be insulted, not “humbled,” by the prize. He has managed to convince the Nobel Committee that he shares its post-American view of the world. The apologies for his country, the embrace of the U.N., the ridiculous talk of global disarmament, the distance from Israel and kid gloves for Iran, the slaps at American hegemony — all are the stuff of shame-faced American weakness and retrenchment, uttered by the most powerful American on the planet.

If the Nobel Committee is right about Obama, he will force Israel into an unsustainable peace, or throw it overboard; he will reach an accommodation with a nuclear Iran; he will let Afghanistan slide back into chaos (perhaps with the cover of a notional deal with the Taliban); and he will give China and Russia a veto over all significant American international actions in the U.N. Security Council. On the domestic front, he will bring a European-style welfare state to U.S. shores, and watch as the dominance of the dollar fades, another artifact of an era of post–World War II American pre-eminence that he implicitly declares over.
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http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MzEzNmMyYmM2N2VmZjdjNjExZDViYjlmOTQ4MzRhZjk=
 
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crackerjack said:
In protest over Biafra, yup.
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Orite, didn't know it was as specific as that - I thought it was just a generic anti-establishment gesture.

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I imagine it's taken as read that Nobel are a bunch of gay commie liberals (they are Swedes after all) who hate America and this just proves that Obama is a foreigner and a Muslim and literally Hitler.
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Ironic that, historically, it took them ages to get around to agreeing to award the physics prize to Einstein, seeing as how he was a bit J**ish and all.

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...he will let Afghanistan slide back into chaos...
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Hahaha, yeah, because GWB had things ticking over juuust fine!
 
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IdleRich

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But really what is ever the point of saying something so moronic that it undermines everything else you say. Ah, there's no point in even thinking about it.
 
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IdleRich said:
But really what is ever the point of saying something so moronic that it undermines everything else you say. Ah, there's no point in even thinking about it.
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Because they're priming themselves for the day when some kind of official protocol is extended to the Tallies and they can scream "Chamberlain! Munich! Jimmy Carter!"
 
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Incidentally there's an unusally good post on this over here. Not the OP, which is toss, but Venichka at 3.57. Well worth reading if you can get your head round the tangents and brackets.
 
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Hey, talking of razor-sharp geopolitics commentators, we're getting close to the 5 year anniversary of my amazing and wide-ranging WORLD WAR FOUR essay that had such a profound impact on the thinking of the second Bush Administration. I like to think that Obama would never have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize had it not been for my illuminating insights, almost all of which I continue to stand by. I wasn't being Gonzo.
 
padraig (u.s.)

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vimothy said:
And indeed they are.
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I know you're just quoting some random backlash, and that these dudes are just scoring free points, but I find it particularly ironic that most of those things would have or in fact did happen under the watch of a Republican admin. especially b/c there's a long list of valid stuff they could go after Obama for.

deal with a nuclear Iran? well, seeing as there's nothing we can do to stop them from obtaining nukes short of a full-scale invasion, presumably someone would've had to deal with a nuclear Iran sooner or later. tacitly or otherwise. (the right-wing response to Iran has a heady air of Canute & the sea about it)

throwing Israel overboard? its not difficult to argue that this is exactly what the policy of let Israel do what it wants presidents like GW & Reagan has done. let's see, when has Israel blundered all its worst FUBARs in the last 20 years. 1982, 1987, 2006. yep, all under Republican admins. meanwhile, by far the best progress made toward peace - Clinton.

Afghan in chaos? as mentioned, check.

I love how the U.N. is a ridiculous farce to conservatives until we let Russia & China veto our "significant actions" (like?) in the Security Council. then it's a real thing that we can't lose face at. meanwhile, they both have de facto real world veto power over plenty of stuff; I seem to remember Russia knocking around one of our supposed buddies in the Caucasus a little while back while GW sat on his hands and pretended not to notice.

& I especially love how post-WWII American dominance is not only natural, but something that's supposed to last forever, as if it makes any kind of sense that a nation w/~5% of the world pop. w/oceans on 2 sides would be able to control world affairs until the end of time.

there's just a loopy unreality to that whole worldview.
 
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