Tory bastards

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
The irony of Toby Young is that, if anything could be considered a good argument in favour of eugenics, it would be his existence.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
Feels very deliberate. What do you think the game plan was?
None. Cummings just trying to do exactly what he wants, get away with whatever he wants, fuck everyone off, and today he ran into some pushback, thankfully.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
It's all a spin off from his insane job advert that I'm sure you've seen. The disruptor approach to politics.

Which funnily enough, just so happens to mask good fashioned racism. Who'd have guessed it.
 

luka

Active member
Staff member
None. Cummings just trying to do exactly what he wants, get away with whatever he wants, fuck everyone off, and today he ran into some pushback, thankfully.
You think Cummings is into the old eugenics then?
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
Cummings has written at length about how Whitehall is so safe, conservative, slow. Gove at the DFE was all about getting everything done in five minutes and then running screaming at the next target. A similar approach taken to hiring mavericks which has just misfired.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
You think Cummings is into the old eugenics then?
It wouldn't surprise me. I think he's written somewhere that intelligence is part-heritable.

His long essay on education seems to have the idea of making us like Singapore. All stressed out and maths orientated. Just the absolute opposite of my approach to teaching, which is more humanistic and student-centred. Lots of being nice to people.

Weird how people like Gove and Cummings just don't/can't get that this can work. It's almost as if they're hardwired to be cunts.
 
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DannyL

Wild Horses
Today's events might possibly be a sign of people in Whitehall briefing against Cummings, which I hope is the case. I get the impression Boris doesn't give a shit so Cummings will run riot until he upsets enough people and gets sacked.

Stephen Bush is great as per on the eugenics issue:

Dodgy science around inheritance and eugenics has become a fashionable idea again on parts of the right, mostly as a modern version of the “what can you expect me to do about school standards? The problem is that people are poor!” argument that did the rounds on parts of the political spectrum in the 1980s. Just as with that argument, there is a germ of truth to it: there is an inherited component to intelligence, just as there is to height, hand-eye coordination and any other ability you might care to name.

But policy interventions can close the gap and raise both the condition and ability of the bottom decile – as the fact that global IQ scores have continued to rise generation-upon-generation shows – and in many respects the inheritance debate is pretty arid and useless. It’s true to say that the genetic differences between me and Thierry Henry mean that no amount of good PE teaching would have allowed me to win as many sporting trophies by the age of 30 as Henry at the same age. It’s also true that having had better PE teaching would have meant that it wouldn't have taken me until I was 30 to find a form of exercise that I like and enjoy. What you might call the “Henry-Bush gap” feels like a way for policy thinkers to make a name for themselves and get invited on telly, but I’m not sure that is a particularly useful area for policy thinkers to focus on beyond that.


https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...sabisky-row-raises-questions-dominic-cummings
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
It seems quite reasonable that any newspaper could find any documented example of BJ's racism and print it as a literal example of how he thinks now - and if challenged could say that they were told to do exactly that by his own spokesman.
 

luka

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Posting this so I remember to read it tomorrow. Don't want to annoy myself at this late hour.

https://21centurymanifesto.wordpress.com/2019/07/24/dominic-cummings-on-genes-iq-and-heritability/

Key quote:

Cummings is keen to discount environmental factors in shaping pupil performance and emphasise the primacy of genetic factors.
Plenty of people seem to think of everything being about genes with 'intelligence genes' governing class, wealth, etc at an individual level but also the 'performance' of countries in the global economy.

A whole load of people seeking to find a scientific basis for the way things are and all power relations.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
It wouldn't surprise me. I think he's written somewhere that intelligence is part-heritable.
This is demonstrably true - about half of the variation in intelligence (however you choose to measure it) can be put down to genetics - but it's a very, very, very long way from acknowledging that to supporting eugenics.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
The irony is that people like Sabisky are really thick in any meaningful sense (if he actually believes any of what he is saying, I suppose is the caveat). Unable to make links
 

luka

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It's becoming more and more difficult to determine whether these people are trolling, themselves and other people. Do you they believe it? The high Anglicanism for instance. It's a put on. It's almost impossible to believe it could be in earnest.

There's always a trolling aspect to young Tories in particular.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
I think there's a definite element of that, but also they've either been raised to believe that they are superior, or if from outside that world, are unaware of their narcissistic personality disorder that leads them to need to play that part.

In either case, their minds have been stripped of all flexibility, so they do probably believe it in some sense
 
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