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thirdform

Well-known member
I'm also not really trolling. like yeah i am a cunt but a troll puts minimum effort in to generate a reaction. Which I'm not.

tbf if I was trolling this place you would laugh your bollocks off, it's partly that I am serious that gets peoples goat up.
 

thirdform

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I don't think anyone thinks street protest carry any weight. They're ridiculed by all quarters and ignored by politicians regardless.

The Khayati argument makes the assumption that these events are given credence by wider society as a mark of change- they don't, unless you're listening to the echo chamber they attempt to present.

You need to embrace digital disruption now if you wish to be relevant, the arguments of the past are done.

Clinging to past ideologies is what you criticise the "left" for, in the argument that its dead an buried. What are you doing that's any different

What this death of the left politically precisely means is that its ideology is stronger than ever. That's to say, to partake in advancing the class struggle or whatever leftists have convinced themselves of doing, they need to account for the fact that they got it wrong. So ironically, for them to be politically active again, this would require no longer being leftists. I'm sure I don't need to explain this would pretty leave many people out of well paying opposition jobs. So in that sense the ideology will always try and reinvent itself in new ways. A belief in politics, in change, or in progress can be a way of retaining the privileges granted by various forms of bourgeois social work.
 

thirdform

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This is also why I reject the common wisdom that the left lost. I disagree. If anything, historically speaking the right has lost. Many people forget that prior to the defeat of fascism, many rightists wanted to return to a form of pre-1789 caste society with all its formal titles and ennobled privileges. What the right has done over the past 70 years is progressively shed most of the traditional content it has had. A good example of this is how something like blue labourism exists, but the idea of blue toryism is so anachronistic.
 

thirdform

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I'd say America is kind of instructive in this regard, the last great palio conservative was William F Buckley, and even its doubtful if he could really be compared to the old traditional high tories.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
So you still cannot answer why I deserved to be condescended over expressing some mild views in that thread. That deflection too? you're really tying yourself in knots here.
It isn't answering/not answering questions, it's the personal attack that Rich is responding to. The abrasiveness, the contempt...
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
I do wonder more generally - if nihilism is the only position you have any respect for, why you bother with politics at all?
 

thirdform

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It isn't answering/not answering questions, it's the personal attack that Rich is responding to. The abrasiveness, the contempt...

I'm allowed to be contemptuous towards people who approach me with contempt. That might not be a popular hill to die on, but I'll do it. I've never been one to turn the other cheek.
 

thirdform

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I do wonder more generally - if nihilism is the only position you have any respect for, why you bother with politics at all?

Because it's interesting to think about, deconstruct, analyse. Given life itself is inherently nihilistic, Hypothetically I could just commit suicide, but I don't.
 

thirdform

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and why people attach so much mneaning to it interests me. The tensions that play out within it. There is a lot to talk about in politics - even more if you don't care for the enterprise. It's a never ending drama. In fact, my recoiling from wanting any form of power comes out of a bookish need to understand it more than those who utilise it, dodge it, perry it, expose it.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
Because it's interesting to think about, deconstruct, analyse. Given life itself is inherently nihilistic, Hypothetically I could just commit suicide, but I don't.
I agree with you on that, at least. I'm not as nihilistic as yourself though. Positive change is possible on a personal level (in reference to your ref to suicide) and perhaps even on a political level as well, unlikely as it may well seem.
 

thirdform

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I agree with you on that, at least. I'm not as nihilistic as yourself though. Positive change is possible on a personal level (in reference to your ref to suicide) and perhaps even on a political level as well, unlikely as it may well seem.

I'm not sure why nihilism at the personal level has to be negative, it can be quite liberating. We can disagree on politics. Life having no inherent meaning at all, not even the meanings we make ourselves, seems liberating for me. It's like rave. There's nothing cosmological to it, which is precisely what makes it so great, just the surrender of thought in a warehouse.
 

thirdform

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If anything, what makes me despair and have mental health difficulties is the insistant need for society to grant everything some kind of purpose, this inability to appreciate the moment. I always feel like people don't allow me to be nihilistic enough, because then they would have to self-reflect on what makes them happy outside of all the accumulated so-called 'commonsense' wisdom.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
I'm not sure why nihilism at the personal level has to be negative, it can be quite liberating. We can disagree on politics. Life having no inherent meaning at all, not even the meanings we make ourselves, seems liberating for me. It's like rave. There's nothing cosmological to it, which is precisely what makes it so great, just the surrender of thought in a warehouse.
Its' the meanings we make on the way that are interesting to me tbh. For sure, I agree that ditching of beliefs can be liberating.
 

boxedjoy

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fwiw I don't think you're a sex pest, your energy is more that of an incel. You've been trying to goad and provoke me, including in threads where it hasn't been relevant to the discussion otherwise taking place. You might not identify as a troll but I'm not new to the internet: this has felt sustained, wilful, deliberate and personal, and I'm not interested in it. A reasonable conversation only happens when those involved are reasonable people and you take pride in being unreasonable, which is your prerogative but it's utterly pointless bothering with you because you won't engage on anyone's terms but your own.

I'm going to tap out, in advance of inevitably being told I'm being racist for tone-policing. But throwing a "takes one to know one!" at IdleRich when he points out your debate strategy invokes the shadow of abusive behaviour, that speaks to me about your character and how much value to place on it.
 

thirdform

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fwiw I don't think you're a sex pest, your energy is more that of an incel. You've been trying to goad and provoke me, including in threads where it hasn't been relevant to the discussion otherwise taking place. You might not identify as a troll but I'm not new to the internet: this has felt sustained, wilful, deliberate and personal, and I'm not interested in it. A reasonable conversation only happens when those involved are reasonable people and you take pride in being unreasonable, which is your prerogative but it's utterly pointless bothering with you because you won't engage on anyone's terms but your own.

I'm going to tap out, in advance of inevitably being told I'm being racist for tone-policing. But throwing a "takes one to know one!" at IdleRich when he points out your debate strategy invokes the shadow of abusive behaviour, that speaks to me about your character and how much value to place on it.

Lol 'incel', nice ableism there, you couldn't value my character even if you tried, so its a moot point. It's funny how you try to play the 'I'm not a bigot, honest guv!' card here when it's clear to anyone a truck can be driven through your nonsense projections, hi Marcello Carlin!

And I said you're not racist. I can retract statements you know. Being a racist would be a compliment at this rate. hardly a hill I'd want to die on.

I'll give you this though, you are hilarious, but in a really self-important, pretentious way. Continue to set the world to rights. In the meantime I'll put you on ignore so that I am spared from your 'vomits at house party' hot takes. Woe betide to me for engaging with you in the first place.
 
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Masami Akita

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Lol 'incel', nice ableism there, you couldn't value my character even if you tried, so its a moot point. It's funny how you try to play the 'I'm not a bigot, honest guv!' card here when it's clear to anyone a truck can be driven through your nonsense projections, hi Marcello Carlin!

And I said you're not racist. I can retract statements you know. Being a racist would be a compliment at this rate. hardly a hill I'd want to die on.

I'll give you this though, you are hilarious, but in a really self-important, pretentious way. Continue to set the world to rights. In the meantime I'll put you on ignore so that I am spared from your 'vomits at house party' hot takes. Woe betide to me for engaging with you in the first place.
hey babe, do you still wanna prove you have a cock?
 
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