IdleRich

IdleRich
It feels as though a lot of the Tory bastards have finally had it with the bastard in chief doesn't it? To me, it seemed fairly obvious about twenty years ago that Johnson had decided that the rules didn't apply to him and that he was completely free to ignore them or break them as he chose - even if they were rules that he himself had put in place and insisted that they were really important for everyone else to follow - so I struggle to see why people who have loyally supported him for years as he blatantly did that are suddenly annoyed. And I'm not really that excited about it either as, if they do cast him aside now, he will merely be replaced by another of his ilk... and, more to the point, he has already done an enormous amount of quite possibly irreparable damage to the country and the system of government we used which, for some reason, we called a democracy.

It's like after the Brexit vote when there were loads of people celebrating the obliteration of UKIP in the following election. People taunting Farage and his followers as though they hadn't grasped that the reason no-one was voting for them any more was cos they had succeeded so completely in their aims that they were no longer necessary. With Johnson it's not really like that, I don't think he had any particular aims, certainly no ideology or strong belief.

So I suppose that, if Johnson does go down, there will at least be some pleasure in knowing that he is unhappy. I also hope that he has greatly over-extended himself financially with a load of commitments based on his PM's salary and the griftig opportunities it gave him... I would gain some satisfaction if his life just totally fell apart like the bad guy in Fargo or Before The Devil Knows Your Dead - one of those films where it all goes horribly wrong for the protagonist and we can hardly watch as this slow motion car crash unfolds in front of us - but politically I don't think it will make that much difference to any of us if it's Bozza or someone else gleefully pissing all over us and claiming it's a delightful summer shower.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
...it seemed fairly obvious about twenty years ago that Johnson had decided that the rules didn't apply to him and that he was completely free to ignore them or break them as he chose - even if they were rules that he himself had put in place and insisted that they were really important for everyone else to follow - so I struggle to see why people who have loyally supported him for years as he blatantly did that are suddenly annoyed.
Hmmm... a quick scan of twitter reveals that I was totally wrong about that - apparently there are loads of people who are totally amazed to discover what kind of person Johnson is.

Darren Grimes - My vote for Boris was the proudest and surest I’d ever cast... I’m afraid Boris appears to have taken that golden opportunity for granted. It is a truly tragic shame.

Random twitter people

"Very sad, I had faith in him. He's totally blown it"

"I am hugely and terminally disappointed with Johnson. He promised much and delivered little,"

"I am immensely disappointed in Boris Johnson, for many different reasons,"

I just don't get it. I mean, I understand that MPs who selected him have to pretend that they were fooled but these seem like real people who are genuinely surprised... can't they read or.... what? How is it possible?
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Well, OK, that's sort of a nice thing to say but what happened with him I did genuinely experience as a massive kick in the balls and I haven't at all got over it. When Tea crows I still want to strangle him or press his face onto a kebab grill.
I just don't understand why you're so invested in it, or feel compelled to pretend to be, when the rest of your time you're all like "Politics is for sad nerds and perverts and inadequate weirdos".
 

shakahislop

Well-known member
Well, OK, that's sort of a nice thing to say but what happened with him I did genuinely experience as a massive kick in the balls and I haven't at all got over it. When Tea crows I still want to strangle him or press his face onto a kebab grill.
it was genuinely really nice between 2017 and 2019 to, for the first time, actually think that there was a chance that things might get better. it was a nice thing to have in my life. the converse is the intense doom and gloom that seems to be the main emotional style that a lot of people i know are using at the moment.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
it was genuinely really nice between 2017 and 2019 to, for the first time, actually think that there was a chance that things might get better. it was a nice thing to have in my life. the converse is the intense doom and gloom that seems to be the main emotional style that a lot of people i know are using at the moment.
Really? It wasn't obvious even at the time that the 2017 GE was as good as it was going to get for Labour?

I'm old enough to remember when things actually did get better, for a while at least. Seems a very long time ago now.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Is it that hard to understand really?
Well yeah, it is. You're constantly flitting back and forth across the actually-giving-a-shit-or-not fence. Like all the stuff about craner being a 'psycho' and Blair being the evillest man in the world, and then "as if I give half a shit about Iraq, lol."

Then you're straight back to impersonating exactly the kind of shrill, hectoring tone that you always take the piss out of in anyone else.
 

shakahislop

Well-known member
Really? It wasn't obvious even at the time that the 2017 GE was as good as it was going to get for Labour?

I'm old enough to remember when things actually did get better, for a while at least. Seems a very long time ago now.
yeah i did. i didn't find it obvious myself. i thought we were gonna win actually.

it's pretty hard to predict the direction of political change overall, i think.
 

shakahislop

Well-known member
do you mean "the left"? sorry, i'm out of my depth with political jokes
no there's not even a joke there, i mean it genuinely, i thought corbyn might win, and all these problems that we have in england and have had for ages, that directly affect me and all the people i know, were going to be a bit solved. i really thought there was a possibility that might happen.
 

woops

is not like other people
no there's not even a joke there, i mean it genuinely, i thought corbyn might win, and all these problems that we have in england and have had for ages, that directly affect me and all the people i know, were going to be a bit solved. i really thought there was a possibility that might happen.
yes you're right, no joke, it's just that i was too busy hiding under a rock, chewing a lump of cynical poison, to know the full details.
 

luka

Well-known member
I don't know if I thought he'd solve all our problems but I wanted him to be given a fair chance and seeing the establishment round on him in that fashion was brutal
 

luka

Well-known member
I don't like talking about this stuff cos Mr Tea jumps down my throat whenever I do so I don't bother
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Yeah I was excited by Corbyn at first, theway he came ouf of nowhere to win the leadership like that and you think "it doesn't have to be someone realistic and professional selected by joyless suits who have given up on their big dreams and say that we should too".

But what ruined it for me, very quickly in fact, was a lot of people on my fb timeline, some of whom I knew personally and some of whom I didn't, but who were Jewish and were generally worried about Corbyn.

To be clear I'm not saying he's an antisemite or even that I thought he was then, but it was shocking to me how they felt - and that was the fun gone, just like that.
 
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