shakahislop

Well-known member
I think they told him that if there was another VONC then he could only expect to get 65 votes or so. But he said that if there is a VONC then he will fight it. I'm really starting to think that he might call at GE that way he would be hoping that there would be enough people who hate Labour enough to keep him in power, although if he did that then the parliamentary party would surely hate him even more for gambling with their political lives to save his skin. I dunno if they could stop him from doing that - though if there was an election and the Tories won, what would stop them from having a VONC straight after that and getting rid of him? Can he really insist on leading a load of people who don't want him to be their leader?
it's speculation obviously about unpredictable things, but if he did call and win a general election then he could make the argument to his MPs that he has a mandate from the british people, and that would probably make a lot of them think it would look pretty bad if they took out the guy who had just been elected by the electorate. there is a thread running through uk political culture where people really think that they should get to choose who the prime minister is, no-one understands representative politics and it would look like total bullshit to the general public if they elected someone and then a load of Tory MPs said 'no you can't have him we want someone else'
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
It is indeed speculation, but my feeling is that at the moment they fucking hate him, if he called an election and risked their lives to save his against their will then surely they would hate him more. He could indeed claim a mandate (and surely would say that the GE was a referendum on him) but you would think they could equally say "the vote was for the party" and still go after him, depending on how angry they were I guess....

Anyway, the reason I say it's speculation is co the grunter is saying he'll go after all now

Boris Johnson has agreed to resign, the BBC’s Chris Mason reports. He says he wants a new Tory leader to be in place by the party conference. He wants to stay on as PM until then.


Shame in a way, I was rather enjoying something akin to bear baiting involving a particularly shambolic and ragged bear being slowly pulled apart by dogs which it had once counted as friends.
 

shakahislop

Well-known member
It is indeed speculation, but my feeling is that at the moment they fucking hate him, if he called an election and risked their lives to save his against their will then surely they would hate him more. He could indeed claim a mandate (and surely would say that the GE was a referendum on him) but you would think they could equally say "the vote was for the party" and still go after him, depending on how angry they were I guess....

Anyway, the reason I say it's speculation is co the grunter is saying he'll go after all now



Shame in a way, I was rather enjoying something akin to bear baiting involving a particularly shambolic and ragged bear being slowly pulled apart by dogs which it had once counted as friends.
all this proves is that BJ doesn't read dissensus, because if he had read my insightful analysis above he would have stayed. think we need to do some outreach to get him to post here now that he has more time. looking forward to his take on billie eilish
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Johnson is so easy to criticise cos he's such a cunty hypocrite you can normally find some time when he himself criticised a milder version of whatever shitty behaviour he's doing right now

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IdleRich

IdleRich
I hope they don't let him stay on longer - although if he does he will be laughed at every day in parliament so there is that. But I don't think that they should let him insist on any conditions. They should just tell him that a defeated general can't dictate terms and give him the stark choice between crawling out of number ten backwards on his stomach, alternately apologising to the country and begging for mercy - or else he will be put in the stocks for several days while anyone who cares to pelts him with rotten fruit and dog shit, then when people have sated their hunger for that (which could be a while) he will taken out of the stocks, dragged behind a pair of donkeys from Westminster to Liverpool where finally he is hanged, drawn and quartered, and his stupid fat head is impaled on the bird on top of the liver building.
 

shakahislop

Well-known member
one thing that is worth saying i suppose, and i'm probably not the only person here to feel this, is that there is something moderately exciting about these small number of days where something like this is happening. i'm not sure where the excitement comes from really, given that particularly in this case probably not a lot is going to change whoever is in charge, but there is a certain sense of a denouement, of all these long-pending tensions and threads coming to a head.
 

version

Well-known member
They need to get him out now, imo. He's probably buying time and trying to come up with some other way to cling on.

That being said, I'm dreading the public falling for the "fresh start" shtick when the same people who backed May and Boris go on to back the next one and pretend it's a whole new party and they had nothing to do with the last two.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
You mean he might resign, negotiate a deal to remain in place while they found a replacement... and then, when they finally did, refuse to go and claim that he had never said he would then.... it would be absolutely typical of the man, so if that's what you're saying then I totally agree.
 

Slothrop

Tight but Polite
They need to get him out now, imo. He's probably buying time and trying to come up with some other way to cling on.

That being said, I'm dreading the public falling for the "fresh start" shtick when the same people who backed May and Boris go on to back the next one and pretend it's a whole new party and they had nothing to do with the last two.

The slightly reassuring thing is that AFAICT the reason he got the job in the first place is that the party generally seemed to think that he was the only one with anything like the sort of broad appeal needed to win an election.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Funny they are playing that - the Benny Hill theme - cos yesterday on Twitter Hugh Grant said to Steve Bray that he should rinse that really loudly today.

For those who don't know Seven Bray is the guy who has stood outside parliament every day for the last few years protesting brexit, harassing MPs about their lies, blasting music and inconvenient truth through his speakers and generally pissing off exactly the wankers who really need to be pissed off.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
The departure of Boris Johnson opens a new page in relations with the UK. May it be more constructive, more respectful of commitments made, in particular regarding peace & stability in NI, and more friendly with partners in the EU Because there’s so much more to be done together.
Michel Barnier happy to see the lying lard out the door.
 
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