rolling back to the future garage/post-dubstep/alt-funkstep/intelli-2step etc thread

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rubberdingyrapids

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http://rinse.fm/news/beyond-the-mundane-night-slugs-bok-bok-interviewed/

“There’s this problem of DJs (and fans too!) playing/listening to brand new music alongside very old stuff, but totally forgetting about stuff that’s six months to a year old,” explains Bok Bok. “We’re trying to get people to see some of the releases in a new light. It’s nice to put older songs in context with new ones and really try to get a good overview of where the whole label is headed. Allstars Volume 2 is meant to be half a consolidation, half a window into the future.”

hes right but the whole 'everything at once, old and new, new and old' thing i think is a bit worrying too, cos it means you have no context to put anything in. i think id like more 'back to the old school' sections separated from all the new dubs and so on.
 
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rubberdingyrapids said:
everything at once, old and new, new and old' thing i think is a bit worrying too, cos it means you have no context to put anything in. i think id like more 'back to the old school' sections separated from all the new dubs and so on.
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Im like that too. If im listening to radio I expect it to be mainly upfront, club sets obviously scattered but still kinda focused on what is happening right now. Most people just don't care about that 'FWD>>' ethic anymore.
 
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rubberdingyrapids

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Elijah said:
Im like that too. If im listening to radio I expect it to be mainly upfront, club sets obviously scattered but still kinda focused on what is happening right now. Most people just don't care about that 'FWD>>' ethic anymore.
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it also means you dont learn anything from a dj, cos if they dont even say the tune names or artists, youre even more in the dark about whats what. if youve been listening from 1987 then maybe listening to ikonika or ben ufo or whoever playing old techno next to new techno is totally fine but if you havent, it just leads to one big blur. thats why theres no fwd ethic anymore. cos you dont even know what/where to go FWD>> from.
 
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rubberdingyrapids said:
http://rinse.fm/news/beyond-the-mundane-night-slugs-bok-bok-interviewed/
hes right but the whole 'everything at once, old and new, new and old' thing i think is a bit worrying too, cos it means you have no context to put anything in. i think id like more 'back to the old school' sections separated from all the new dubs and so on.
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wouldn't you agree there's a difference between mixing old and new into something that (at least attempts to be) aesthetically continuous and ghettoising old music into a nostalgia segment?

You might be right about people not picking up on specifics of history when they hear older tunes in this sort of setting, but is a knowledge of historical context a prerequisite for innovation?
 
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rubberdingyrapids

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tracklisting for new kode 9 mix cd on rinse due in may - lots and lots of footwork...
Tracklist:
1 Burial – Truant
2 Theo Parrish – Kites on Pluto
3 Morgan Zarate feat. Roses Gabor – Pusher Taker
4 Titonton- Spread
5 Alex Parkin & Chris Lorenzo – What Must I Prove 2 U
6 Joy O – Big Room Tech House DJ Tool – TIP!
7 Funkystepz – Vice Versa
8 Terror Danjah & Champion – Stone Island
9 DVA – Chilli Burrito
10 Champion – Friday 13th
11 Jam City – Her
12 Kode9 – Uh
13 Kuedo – Mirtazapine
14 Visionist – Something Old Something New
15 Dexplicit – Change Formation
16 Faze Miyake – Burciaga
17 The Bug feat. Flow Dan – Dirty
18 Dexplicit – Wave Machine
19 Cashmere Cat – Aurora
20 Rustie – Triadzz
21 Terror Danjah – Sam Cro
22 S-Type – Flyp City
23 Kode9 – Xingfu Lu
24 RP Boo – Steamidity
25 RP Boo – Red Hot
26 DJ Manny – Work That Body
27 Kode9 – Kan
28 DJ Rashad – Rollin
29 Unconventional Science – 8 Shots Up (Bleep Bloop Remix)
30 DJ Rashad feat. DJ Earl – Freshtek
31 DJ Rashad – Brighter Days
32 Sam Binga & Addison Groove – 11th (Dub)
33 DJ Rashad & DJ Spinn – Last Winter
34 DJ Rashad & Freshmoon – Everybody
35 DJ Rashad & DJ Manny – Way I Feel
36 DJ Rashad & Phil – Everyday of My Life
37 DJ Rashad – Let It Go
 
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Yeah so, I think considering how he's just kind of inserted himself into the trap/juke obsessive field, and is now deliberately leaving the hardcore continuum, my remarks about Kode being kind of Squarepusher-like in his relationship with genres remains prescient.

*dodges oncoming rubbish thrown my way*
 
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Sectionfive said:
ooof

Surely Kode has put a lot more in. More two way traffic then Jenkinson
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In a curatorial sense sure, but he's not contributing to the genre's he's drawing from anymore as a producer, unless you'd argue he's trying to expand dubstep's boundaries by drawing influences from outside, and yet... It's definitely not that?

In a sense, his 'virology' attitude redeems it, but I just find it a bit frustrating because the guy's arguably been a dubstep producer for 4 years of his career, and it defined him, but now his production is more or less based on whatever catches on? The idea of the Public Enemy style whine buried beneath the rhythms are cool, but it's still very leechy for me.

Not saying I don't like the songs either. Just saying, he got bored of funky when everyone else on his label but his album artists started doing funky. And now he's running off to do juke, and so when half his roster have weak attempts at juke, then whatever's hot again?
 
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CrowleyHead said:
In a curatorial sense sure, but he's not contributing to the genre's he's drawing from anymore as a producer, unless you'd argue he's trying to expand dubstep's boundaries by drawing influences from outside, and yet... It's definitely not that?

In a sense, his 'virology' attitude redeems it, but I just find it a bit frustrating because the guy's arguably been a dubstep producer for 4 years of his career, and it defined him, but now his production is more or less based on whatever catches on? The idea of the Public Enemy style whine buried beneath the rhythms are cool, but it's still very leechy for me.

Not saying I don't like the songs either. Just saying, he got bored of funky when everyone else on his label but his album artists started doing funky. And now he's running off to do juke, and so when half his roster have weak attempts at juke, then whatever's hot again?
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Don't see him 'running off' anywhere - so he made a couple of tracks, big deal - if you actually look at that Rinse tracklisting it looks like he is building his own continuum, dragging the stuff he has been supporting for years with him and forcing it into contact with footwork. I haven't heard the mix, but that's what the tracklist looks like to me. But to be honest, I have no idea what you are on about. It looks like you are just randomly joining words together without any basis in reality.
 
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CrowleyHead said:
In a curatorial sense sure, but he's not contributing to the genre's he's drawing from anymore as a producer, unless you'd argue he's trying to expand dubstep's boundaries by drawing influences from outside, and yet... It's definitely not that?

In a sense, his 'virology' attitude redeems it, but I just find it a bit frustrating because the guy's arguably been a dubstep producer for 4 years of his career, and it defined him, but now his production is more or less based on whatever catches on? The idea of the Public Enemy style whine buried beneath the rhythms are cool, but it's still very leechy for me.

Not saying I don't like the songs either. Just saying, he got bored of funky when everyone else on his label but his album artists started doing funky. And now he's running off to do juke, and so when half his roster have weak attempts at juke, then whatever's hot again?
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you will acknowledge, wont you, that there's a difference between artists who stay on the edge of innovations that pertain directly to their own artistic narrative, and careerists who drop whatever they're doing because something else is getting more hype.

kode's music has been recognizably his no matter what tempo & rhythmic articulation he's using. For that alone, I think your sniping is off target. yes you'd like him to be a little more gradual in his movements, but that cheap sq.pusher shot doesn't hold up to a moments analysis. your timeframing is off too, kode was in dubstep from 2003-2008, funky from 2008-nowish. These are long periods. If he'd stuck with them for much longer could be accused of being myopic, or hypocritically un-innovative even.
 
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daddek said:
you will acknowledge, wont you, that there's a difference between artists who stay on the edge of innovations that pertain directly to their own artistic narrative, and careerists who drop whatever they're doing because something else is getting more hype.
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Although to be fair, the former pretty much applies to Squarepusher as well.
 
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