Hip Hop with TR909

...but not hip house.

Mantronix - loads of tracks
Schoolly D - loads of tracks
MC Shan - MC Space

probably various Mantronix productions for Just Ice as well.

any more good 909 hip hop?
 

lazybrowndog

Well-known member
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Eh? there's no 909 in that......

Look at the label "edited by Jeff Mills" - I wonder if it's the same one. In that case you'd really EXPECT there to be some 909 in there.
 

Woebot

Well-known member
they used drum machines on this lp 'no more mr nice guy' - and a jeff mills gets thanked on the liner-notes for that too.

 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
woooahhh - should be reposted on production thread. Can anyone explain to me how this works, theoretically speaking?:

"We always add subtle amounts of distortion/saturation for added tone on our subs so they can be heard on smaller speakers, not just massive club systems."
 

BareBones

wheezy
if you have a single bass frequency of eg 50hz, this would be lower than the frequency response of most home speakers. but adding distortion or saturation creates overtones of the fundamental frequency, ie higher than 50hz, and so makes it audible on smaller speakers. i guess that's what he means?
 

nomos

Administrator
woooahhh - should be reposted on production thread. Can anyone explain to me how this works, theoretically speaking?:

"We always add subtle amounts of distortion/saturation for added tone on our subs so they can be heard on smaller speakers, not just massive club systems."
That's to add some harmonics higher up in the audible range, giving it more colour and augmenting the perception of low frequency force...

wiki said:
Missing fundamental

A sound is said to have a missing fundamental, suppressed fundamental, or phantom fundamental when its overtones suggest a fundamental frequency but the sound lacks a component at the fundamental frequency itself. However, the brain perceives the pitch of a tone not only by its fundamental frequency, but also by the ratio of the higher harmonics. Thus, we may perceive the same pitch (perhaps with a different timbre) even if the fundamental frequency is missing from a tone.

For example, when a note (that is not a pure tone) has a pitch of 100 Hz, it will consist of frequency components that are close to integer multiples of that value (e.g. 100, 200, 300, 400, 500.... Hz). However, smaller loudspeakers may not produce low frequencies, and so in our example, the 100 Hz component may be missing. Nevertheless, a pitch corresponding to the fundamental may still be heard.
 
D

droid

Guest
Presumably the bass would be too low to hear the notes properly on a small system. Adding saturation or distortion would add a bit in the low mid range allowing the bass notes to be heard on systems that can't handle sub.

Edit: nomos explained it properly, as did barebones.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
thanks guys - so the brain fills in the fundamental itself. This kind of thing intrigues me - as with the famous quote by Burial or El-B (?) about how a whole generation internalised jungle rhythms to such an extent that they only need now be implied in music....
 
Yeah well that's all very interesting but I saw all the replies and thought someone might have posted a rap record with 909 in it..... but alas no.
I am the only person in the world nerdy enough to want to know?

(throws down toys and leaves)
 
By the way, on the subject of Dave from Dynamix, I had a chat with him last year, he told me "I love castles and shit". He is way into King Arthur and Stonehenge and all that, when he comes to England that's what he wants to check out.
I tried to convince him to make an electro tune about it instead of continually going on about bass and robots but I'm still waiting. I reckon an electro king arthur tune would be awesome, even better than this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhtasZL2pDA
 

michael

Bring out the vacuum
I thought Stetsasonic had some, but can't find an example off-hand. Probably not. Just seems like most hip-hoppers weren't into it. Seems like 808s and DMXs ruling all.

Still, resorted to googling 909 + youtube and came up with this:

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Haha.
 
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