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For clubs with loud modern music, it would be good to have voice recognition t-shirts that flash what you're saying across your chest on an LCD display.

BIT LOUD ISN'T IT!


YES!
 

grizzleb

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Meh, tbh I never thought that clubbing was at its best a thing to facilitate one-on-one interaction, and more about creating a 'crowd consciousness' whereby everybody is dancing and grooving off the collective. This works at a basic level that language doesn't touch IMO. Which as I read back over the thread is basically what benjybars said earlier. So I agree with you on various points...
 
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zhao

there are no accidents
have to say i am often annoyed by how cold the dance floor is in clubs. more in Berlin than LA or Amsterdam and many other places.

i like dancing with anyone who is feeling the music. i like flirtatious behavior on the dance floor, which should be simple fun with no string attached. i like it when girls ride my leg, i like it when they grind what they mama gave them in my area. freakin with strangers is one of the most fun things about going dancing, and here it never ever happens. here it's oooooooo don't get in my personal space.

stupid bullshit is what it is.
 

massrock

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I think a positive aspect of the whole rock n' roll and trad thing is that it's roots and that it belongs to all of us equally which is a nice idea and can sort of work but i'd say that too often what happens is inevitably people become invested in creating scenes based around revival and curatorship and fetishising the particular style and then it just becomes an atavistic throwback load of reactionary blinkered conservative bollocks.
 

massrock

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I mean I love rock music still. It's all rock really.

The politics of frequency comes into this. One thing about dubstep when it really was bass music was that you could conduct a conversation even standing right in front of a massive system because the music was vibrating your trousers but not occupying too much of the human vocal range.
 
I think I remembering reading a Kode9 interview where he said he likes being a DJ because he doesn't have to talk to anyone, he can just chill behind the decks in the dark or something like that.

When I go to a night, Im going to listen to music and dance. Im not big on socializing at nights but I think thats down to the nights I go too. Id love attend a club that has a community vibe going though, were you know everyone in the club, everyones sharing music, that sort of thing...
 

massrock

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DJing is nice like that. You have a focus. Can have wee chats with a few people but you have something else to do. Plus you get to play the music that you want to hear at that moment.
 

mistersloane

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I tend towards drink rather than drugs so I tend to be really, horribly chatty wherever i go, much to the annoyance of everyone else, I'm sure. I prefer working when I'm going out to going out for fun though. The past couple of years (PP excluded), it's been all about squats for me though. You can smoke indoors, and there's usually rooms without stupid loud music. Or I stay outside in the smoking areas. They're the new kitchens at parties.
 
its very rare that i go to clubs these days, mostly because people would mistake me for someones dad come to pick them up
yeah I feel like that too. but often I have the excuse that I am DJing....

i used to spend a lot of time chatting to randoms, in the chillout area, the toliets and even on the dancefloor
when did you last see a chill-out area in a club? I miss those.
men who talk to me in the toilets unsettle me.

'm not really into retro scenes. where's the fresh records, or ideas?
It's funny, as a kid in the 70s and 80s I couldn't think of anything worse than the kids who were into the Beatles or the Doors. But now I find myself mostly DJing techno and house and electro from the 80s and 90s.... music that's older now than the Beatles were then..... so I figure I have to own up and say, fine, it's the same thing. I'm desperate for new music that I like but that's a whole different thread. Mostly I am settling for old music that's new to me.

If a girl ever came near me with a rhythmically moving body part, I would be forced to pretend my shoelace was untied
Mate I know you're kind of joking but it's heartbeaking. And I know how you feel, that's kind of the difference in vibes I am talking about, places where people return your smiles or places where you don't want to smile and talk in case you get treated like a creep. Some clubs feel like the same social rules as being on the tube - DON'T LOOK AT ANYONE ELSE. Lame.......
smile at some people, it's lush when they are friendly back, and it works as often as not, it's amazing when you start trying it...... sorry if I'm going all californian on you but my dad taught me it and it's true.

thats not my experience of rockabilly djs at all - if only. more like rock around the motherfucking clock.
yeah but how deep have you dug? you could equally say that techno clubs are just 2 unlimited etc etc. the thing i went to was a few obvious hits but mostly obscure old ska, RnB etc.

Dancing with someone - OK
Dancing opposite a girl who can dance really well - humiliation.
hmm yeah. unless they are lush and friendly and try and teach you and don't care if you step on their feet...... maybe it's you judging yourself harshly and she would just appreciate that you're not intimidated and game enough to have a go. wow I feel like I am suddenly the dissensus "how to get on with chicks" coach. as if I have a clue........

Haven't done many solo gigs, but am headed that direction on next album.
What do you do when your mates' go cold ?
It can be really lonely and boring, waiting in airports, waiting in clubs, waiting in hotels. Just now I am training myself to live for the moment like I did before I got jaded.... so instead of being cool, DJing, leaving straight away, I am talking to anyone and everyone and going to the after party and whatever. maybe it's my midlife crisis but it's a lot more fun than before.... i was just trying to "get it over with" as quick as possible, only coming alive and enjoying myself for the 2hours i was onstage.
Of course sometimes you get stuck listening to the boring self-promoting music guy who thinks you can help him with his career or something, but equally often you meet some interesting folks.

i like dancing with anyone who is feeling the music. i like flirtatious behavior on the dance floor, which should be simple fun with no string attached.
exackly! the problem is boys think it means more than it does, they get too excited and pushy and then the girls don't want to play any more cos of the creepy guys. that's exactly why I dug the 50s thing, it took me 10 mins to realise that the people dancing together weren't couples, they weren't trying to pull either, they were just dancing partners and that was thrilling enough for them. and there was not much sex about it, it was more like the friendliest most intimate sport you can imagine.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
hmm yeah. unless they are lush and friendly and try and teach you and don't care if you step on their feet...... maybe it's you judging yourself harshly and she would just appreciate that you're not intimidated and game enough to have a go. wow I feel like I am suddenly the dissensus "how to get on with chicks" coach. as if I have a clue........

girl in question was my girlfriend! i was just thinking, stop embarrassing me by being so good and showing up my innate lack of riddim... Got my own back when they dropped some grime though....enthusiasm alone is enough dancing to When I'm Ere and Fwd Riddim....
 
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zhao

there are no accidents
there is a fuck of a lot of fresh ideas, and i mean exciting formal ideas, in many "retro" scenes, and IMO often much much more than in current club music.

Sofrito Records for instance. the 1970s tropical sickness from lesser known areas of the Caribbean they drop is simply mind boggling. kompa percussion more sophisticated than the most intricate post-Funky programming. shit is untouchable. music of a quality and class rarely heard in new dance music.
 
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