Circle/Yellow/Dubbage

lazybrowndog

Well-known member
fayacombo has so much to answer for here ... don't see how this is any different from the sort of summer big room house wooly has played on a sunday in the main room at space for the past few years ... i really like a lot of the tunes but i like house ... and this is definitely house (but with a bit of chatter and in london)
 

alex

Do not read this.
They basically just play deep/tech/old house, but they are definitely HARD diggers, especially Kismet, some of the tracks he pulls out are not only really obscure but >>>>>

Also I downloaded a Circle set from Chans a couple of years ago (2005/6 christmas day) and they were playing some old house/early US/UK Garage with a real tough feeling behind it, and I didn’t recognise not one of the tracks. THAT is the set you need to check if you haven’t heard them live before.

It’s annoying though as the age limitations on their raves are normally 23+, I would happily go but don’t want to risk not getting in.
 

outraygeous

Well-known member
controversial but,

Most of these DJs started with garage and never got in and now they are doing this to emulate the garage scene?

Thats probably a lame post, i don't know how to get my point across.

It all sounds interesting tho
 

Blackdown

nexKeysound
That's 5 months old though. and some of those tunes are really really old; Ultra Nate - Love's The Only Drug (Adam Rios Shelter Mix) was first dropped in 2007! (source). "Hey Hey" is basically a high street house tune at this point, Klambu was played out last year, "Sunday Showers" is 2008.

What they're doing here is playing old house in the same way you've lamented the odd old grime tune getting thrown into a set. I know they're grafting away and all credit to them for continuing on with their scene and that but it's hardly anything fresh is it;

"The immediate future for the sound is not obvious, but like dubstep, it has everything at its disposal to translate to clubs worldwide."
It's deep house. That already exists in clubs worldwide. Just because it wasn't that big in "urban london" means it doesn't happen anywhere else.

i'm loving this thread as it totally mirrors my bi-polar feeling about this scene. on one hand it is "just house".

on the other absolutely everything around it sets off my 'this is next' alarm. they have a network of clubs, existing out in east london with the same crowd as garage, they have shows on pirate radio, they're digging for new beats, have a coherence of vision and have taking ownership of a direction, and are quickly moving to take the means of production into their own hands too.

yeah you say it's 'deep house' and it exists elsewhere, which it does but once all those other factors come into play history says things evolve quickly and once they've taken ownership they find their own sound which can grow and be exported.
 

benjybars

village elder.
^^^

yeah but surely it should have got more interesting by now? Circle have been around for a good while now.

I'd definitely still take Funky over Dubbage. And there's nuff fit girls at Funky raves, even if Tippa insists his ones are finer...
 

wascal

Wild Horses
on the other absolutely everything around it sets off my 'this is next' alarm. they have a network of clubs, existing out in east london with the same crowd as garage, they have shows on pirate radio, they're digging for new beats, have a coherence of vision and have taking ownership of a direction, and are quickly moving to take the means of production into their own hands too.

Nah, its deep house.
 

gremino

Moster Sirphine
It's time to place your bets: is dubbage going to be the next chapter of the 'nuum ;)

Tho I think it is going to be. This's just the same conversation Dissensus had in the beginning of funky!!!! :mad:
 

Tentative Andy

I'm in the Meal Deal
Tho I think it is going to be. This's just the same conversation Dissensus had in the beginning of funky!!!! :mad:

I think the point that keeps coming up is that Circle and likeminded people have been about for just as long as the early UKF guys, but we have yet to really see their sound develop in the way that funky has. I'm in two minds myself though, it's a slow-moving scene for sure but it has some potential.

Edit: the whole cycle of 'place your bets on what will be the chapter of the nuum' gets to be very tiresome though. But I suppose for better or worse it is a part of our musical culture.
 
I dont quite understand what Dubbage is. Is it the deeper/darker side of Funky?

I'd like to hear what they are producing themselves if anyone has any links of their own productions.
 

hint

party record with a siren
I'm in two minds myself though, it's a slow-moving scene for sure but it has some potential.

Edit: the whole cycle of 'place your bets on what will be the chapter of the nuum' gets to be very tiresome though. But I suppose for better or worse it is a part of our musical culture.


Potential for what though? A 350 page thread on Dissensus?

I reckon they're doing alright for themselves as it is.
 

Tentative Andy

I'm in the Meal Deal
I dont quite understand what Dubbage is. Is it the deeper/darker side of Funky?

Blackdown's article explains this much better than I can - but basically no, not really. It's a scene based around a group of London djs playing various different kind of international house music. The unifying strand to the types of house that they play, if indeed there is one, is that they tend to fairly deep, dubby and percussive. I think that currently some UK producers associated with those djs are starting to make their own tunes influenced by those sounds, but so far not much has actually emerged.

As far as I can see, the main point of overlap with funky (other than them both being a London thing) is that some of the international house tunes that are anthems with the dubbage crowd - especially the South African ones - are also ones that some UKF djs will draw for when they want to play non-UK tunes. Otherwise there's not much interaction, because the two camps are fairly suspicious of each other and like to slag each other off, and also because again there's not that many homegrown UK dubbage tunes anyway. I wouldn't really think of it as a dark/deep version of UK funky, because funky isn't the main jumping-off point that it's coming from.
 

Tentative Andy

I'm in the Meal Deal
Potential for what though? A 350 page thread on Dissensus?

Hahaha - potential to produce a decent ammount of new tunes that are a little different from the house music they are playing now, I guess. Like I said before, it's not essential and I quite like what they're playing already, but it tend to be what people look for.
 

mms

sometimes
there is tons of good interesting house - some really good producers doing smart things but i don't hear alot of that in the whole dubbage thing, although i do like some of those tracks you mentioned, they just seem to be pulling from different areas of house without any notion of tracks having a background, natonality etc, which is fairly interesting i suppose, alot of work scouring the house sections of juno i guess.
 
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Sick Boy

All about pride and egos
Love or hate the 'nuum, if deep house under a pseudonym is its next mutation, then the 'nuum has truly died for everybody. Wot U Call It? Oh right - deep house.
 

alex

Do not read this.
They do make a point of calling it ‘our sound, our music’ however I think that is more a reference to them being the only ones playing that sort of sound at the time on déjà, not creating a new musical movement.

Would never of thought this conversation was going to mention the poxy nuum, shame.
 
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