DannyL

Wild Horses
it's interesting actually how apolitical The X-Files is for a show that seems to be all about attacking deep state structures

the true enemy of Mulder and Scully seems to mostly be...FBI bureaucracy
I'd always read that as an American reflex to be against the Federal state. Mulder and Scully positioned as mavericks etc. We don't have it the same way in the UK.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
but luka I think those good seasons would be right up yr alley

it's essentially a perfect American pop culture distillation of 90s conspiracy thinking, pre-millenial dread, etc

and the writing was about as good as TV got back then, and they pioneered a bunch of breaking the 4th wall kinda stuff

"Jose Chung's From Outer Space" is basically surreal comedic Rashomon for TV, featuring Alex Trebek (!) and Jesse Ventura as Men In Black
 

luka

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Staff member
im really keen to watch them. its a key vector for the spread of a whole range of ideas
 

catalog

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yeah im not keen myself. i dont like how they ghettoise 1xtra for 'urban', then 6 just does a bit of soul now and then, fuckers
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
I'd always read that as an American reflex to be against the Federal state.
that exists, but since they're FBI agents they're also at the heart of the state, law enforcement, the intelligence apparatus

I understand what you mean about Britons not having a similar tradition, but X-Files is close to all of those 70s paranoid political thrillers - Parallax View, Manchurian Candidate, and especially All the President's Men - their first big informant is nicknamed Deep Throat. And those thrillers are mostly (I think) coming from a (liberal) left critique of authoritarianism, rather than John Milius-style libertarian fantasies.

it's a tension - Mulder is a government agent who spends most of his time fighting the government - the show doesn't really examine too closely

that's what I mean when I say it's surprisingly apolitical. it's voicing the nameless fears of that brief true Pax Americana - it began shortly after the end of the Cold War and ended a few months 9/11 - but it doesn't really get into "politics". everyone good and bad is basically part of the deep state and the conflict is all taking place among an unsuspecting public.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
there is at least one episode I can think of where they investigate a Branch Davidian-style cult

I'm sure there's gotta be Ruby Ridge references too but I can't remember them
 

catalog

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i remember watchin git religiously every thursday night for a while but i cant really remember any of it now.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
there's no anti-intellectualism (or anti-elitism) either - Scully is a trained scientist

even spooky Mulder iirc has a PhD in psychology from Oxford or some Ivy - he was originally a Silence of the Lambs-style profiler before going off to investigate weird paranormal bullshit
 
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