IdleRich

IdleRich
But yeah, it is kind of funny or weird when you get someone like that guy who played Freamon in The Wire - in the process turning in six (was it?) series of wonderfully nuanced and thoughtful character development that can surely only be seen as a masterclass in acting - turn up as an extra in Death in Paradise with a half-arsed French-Carribean accent and an utterly two-dimensional character who will run around in circles - if he's not simply killed - until finally the bumbling but civilised and ultimately more intelligent white person finally solves the mystery and maybe teaches them the secret of fire or something at the same time.
Then again, every single UK black actor has been on Death In Paradise at some point so I guess they needed to start getting some American people in on the act.
Another link in fact, one of the main characters in DiP was that scary pimp in The Deuce, he's really good I think, I never would have guessed he was English if I hadn't read it.

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IdleRich

IdleRich
But actually, the reason I came over to the TV thread was to vent my anger. When I got in this evening Family Guy was on and there is something so fucking irritating about it that it drives me mental.
There is loads of comedy that I don't like - most of it, in fact, obviously - but with Family Guy I get this really strong sensation that the people who make it, who write the jokes, just don't know what humour is or what funny means.
It's not that they are trying to be funny and failing, it just seems that they don't understand the concept of something being funny and you feel that someone behind the characters is just desperately saying stuff and hoping it somehow lands on funny. It reminds me of someone trying to guess an answer to a multiple choice maths question that they simply don't understand and they have no idea if their guess is correct or not - you can almost hear them talking to each other behind the animation asking each other if they're getting to understand it yet or if they know why people seemed to like the last one. There is no comedy happening, no end goal that they can aim at so there is plan or strategy towards that goal, they don't know why people laugh at things.
I guess that's not a crime in itself but it seems insane that this anti-comedy is on telly. Not just on telly, it's on all the fucking time. There is one channel here that seems to have nothing but that on, all day from 9am until 6pm or something.

The only other time I've felt that is with that guy... Noel Fielding is that what he's called? The guy from The Mighty Boosh anyway. Now I'm not a huge fan of that programme but I suppose it was ok, it had some moments that were funny enough, some of it was annoying, whatever. It has I think a kind of cult following, people loyal to its "wacky brand of off the wall humour" etc I suppose.
But then after that there is some stuff that NF did on his own, and it's really fucking tragic. Whatever he had before he has fucking lost it. Or else it was the other guy doing it, I dunno. But you see him on his show (I forget what it's called) but it is a bit like what I said above about Family Guy, but in a sense it's kinda really sad, it's like seeing someone who used to have magic powers and they've lost them and they know they've lost them and they are desperately trying and failing to do the things they used to be able to do with ease, in front of an audience who loves them and is willing them so hard to succeed (and it's often been remarked that one of the most uncomfortable sights is an audience that feels sorry for whoever it's watching)... but each time they disappoint them. It's cruel, even masochistic cos he can't stop... you can totally why the crying clown can be such a powerful character, but of course the idea there is that the clown is funny and then off stage he is sad, here the sadness is just exposed on stage in front of everyone and the attempted shield of humour just wilts away leaving him unprotected and broken and confused.

So yeah, two funny programmes, one at the never-ending peak of its game, the other way past that, sliding down and further down into the bottomless abyss of failure. Both utterly unacquainted with FUNNY. Though luckily for Noel Fielding he went to be on the Great British Bake Off I think and people say he's pretty good - an unexpected happy ending.
 
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IdleRich

IdleRich
He was in the TV series of His Dark Materials too... but agreed, Idris Elba is the one who has becone more than just an actor and who has reached the level of being a personality, sexiest man in the world etc etc has he actually been in much else that's good though? Can't think of anything off the top of my head, but that's what it means to be an icon I suppose, you get bigger and bigger regardless of whether the films you choose are shit.
I reckon he could be Bond, and, when I think about it, there isn't anyone else who leaps to mind so maybe it would be better to say he should be Bond.

Dominic West seems to crop up in loads and loads of sort of largish films, often as the bad guy or a main supporting role. I don't think he is deemed big enough to be a lead on a real blockbuster film.
The best thing that I've seen Dominic West in other than The Wire though is when he plays his actual relative Fred West in Appropriate Adult - I put off watching that for a long time because I... I guess that I don't want be one of those people who is fascinated by serial killers and I wasn't really attracted by the horribly dark subject matter.
But, if you can get past that it is a very good film (or two part series), the story is weird and surprising and for that reason it does exude a certain grim fascination. I read that the actual 'appropriate adult' was a consultant on the show and that she was repeatedly taken aback by the uncanny way that West was able to become West - perhaps aided by the closeness of their genes or some inside family knowledge.
Either way, anyone who hasn't seen Appropriate Adult should make an effort to check it out - as long as you're not easily disturbed...
 
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pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
@IdleRich family guy is a psyop. Part of Project Pavlov.

Fielding is a comedic Manchurian Candidate, programmed in a lab owned by the British branch of the company that invented Family Guy.

Comedy is under attack.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Tell me about this... what is it? Conditioning people to laugh on hearing code words instead of something funny?
 

poetix

we murder to dissect
The place to go for a hit of Very Good Wire Actors (Clarke Peters, Wendell Pearce) in decent parts is Treme.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Oooh, Derek, stop giving me sauce, you get right back in that reactor
oh, but clive, i don't want too.
An actual Chernobyl-themed Derek & Clive sketch could be great.

"You know what, Derek, you fucking cunt?"
"What's that, Clive?"
"Criticality accidents... they don't half give me the fucking horn..."
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I was a Family Guy fan back in the day but I thought it went very badly downhill after about 3 seasons.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
I was a Family Guy fan back in the day but I thought it went very badly downhill after about 3 seasons.
I would like to make it know that I've always hated it.

Have you seen the two-part South Park episode that rips it out of FG? It revolves around 'idea balls', which are these plastic balls that contain a single plot element - I dunno, "Peter contracts HIV" or "Stuey joins Al-Qa'eda" or whatever - which are dropped into hoppers by a team of manatees who are kept in this big tank, so that half a dozen ideas are thereby put together to form the plot of an episode of FB. It's fucking brilliant.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
That's certainly true of FG as it devolved into a parody of itself but I don't think it was quite that bad when it started. Certainly made me laugh a lot.

The real shame is that the Simpsons became like FG - possibly to keep up with it? The Simpsons was a fundamentally grounded and sweet-natured show with surreal flights of fancy, and then it became just a surreal free for all ala. FG, and it didn't fit.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
FG was sort of perfect for the advent of the internet because the lolrandom nature of the humour means it can be easily chopped into YouTube clips.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
And it encapsulated that sort of 4channy/meme humour, too, albeit in a comparatively mainstream and diluted form.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I've not watched South Park in ages, used to be a huge fan of it. There was that controversy recently over claims of it having given birth to the alt-right.

I think Rick and Morty is pretty great, despite the cringeworthy fans dressing as pickle rick etc.
 
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