amazin!
amazin!
the use of the sample in this is beyond amazing, and pretty much perfectly encapsulates what jackin is... but i wish the tune had a bit more warpy-owly bass oomph. would be an absolute classic for me if so..
also... fuck henry rollins
jimitheexploder
Well-known member
Thats one of the main disapointments with jackin for me. The builds are big goofy and fun with some samples that make you laugh. The energy builds really well then the drop comes and its really limp a lot of the time like they forgot to make the rest of the track. Energy gone, fun gone. More Owls please.
Pandiculate
Well-known member
Benny Bunter
Well-known member
'None a them' given away free!
Yes! Bangerrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Also love 'Shitty Rave Music' including the drop, I think it bangs. I have heard less of the owl/warp stuff recently, lots of the mixes I've heard have taken a more traditional house form.
said and jimi, I think Billy Kenny's Certified Jackin' 004 mix takes in more of the bassline influence, though I'm going from memory so excuse me if I'm wrong:
jimitheexploder
Well-known member
I'll give it a spin thanks. I'm still skeptical about all this jackin' but I want it to be exciting so I'll dip in when I'm in the mood.
I think I said earlier in the thread that jackin was sounding like a stop gap between bassline and stright up tech house and that it was way closer to traditional house than anything else so I aint suprised you haven't heard many owls. The populist lean and energy in this scene was always going to take it towards the big room euro sounds rather than becoming its own thing. I mean hasn't Hannah Wants been a big room ibiza lass for some time now?
That None A Them track has a nice bassline to it, but its really let down by the static weak sounding drums with no slap swing or bubble to them they're just there cos thats what dance music has rather than adding anything. There is always somthing so weak in these tracks, for every cool element its offset by loads of really energy sapping poor generic ideas. Really frustrighting as dance music.
I think I said earlier in the thread that jackin was sounding like a stop gap between bassline and stright up tech house and that it was way closer to traditional house than anything else so I aint suprised you haven't heard many owls. The populist lean and energy in this scene was always going to take it towards the big room euro sounds rather than becoming its own thing. I mean hasn't Hannah Wants been a big room ibiza lass for some time now?
That None A Them track has a nice bassline to it, but its really let down by the static weak sounding drums with no slap swing or bubble to them they're just there cos thats what dance music has rather than adding anything. There is always somthing so weak in these tracks, for every cool element its offset by loads of really energy sapping poor generic ideas. Really frustrighting as dance music.
Last edited:
I listened again just now, the second half has more of the bassliney kinda stuff.
I don't think you're necessarily right there. I don't have much time to listen Jackin' so what I said is a rubbish barometer of anything. I basically have only had time recently to listen to the CJ mixes and some others, cos I'm working and have no MP3 player. Jackin' is a big scene spread across a couple of cities with a lot of ppl doing their own thing within it and just because I, or you, are not hearing much of that stuff doesn't mean it's necessarily not out there. Need one of the more ardent listeners to come to thread...
I don't think you're necessarily right there. I don't have much time to listen Jackin' so what I said is a rubbish barometer of anything. I basically have only had time recently to listen to the CJ mixes and some others, cos I'm working and have no MP3 player. Jackin' is a big scene spread across a couple of cities with a lot of ppl doing their own thing within it and just because I, or you, are not hearing much of that stuff doesn't mean it's necessarily not out there. Need one of the more ardent listeners to come to thread...
Last edited:
Benny Bunter
Well-known member
nowt wrong with the drums on that track iyam, its the straightness of them in combo with the bassline that give the track that hypnotic drugged out feel - very much like early 4x4 dark garage like Narrows, Sirius, DJ Faz.
jimitheexploder
Well-known member
There is a fine line between stright and just plain boring, it saps the energy out of the track for me rather than offsetting it in a cool way to make it sound woozy, they're like lego bircks stuck on the bottom of the track made out of play doe, a mess lost in a glob of grey matter that shouldn't be there. Its only few bpm away from sounding like that boring chug of a slow moving steam train that so much tech house has in the shuffling thread too. To my ears anyway, fair play if you dig it haha.
Leo
Well-known member
have to agree somewhat with jimi, there's often been sometime missing in this stuff for me. i like it, but find it vaguely interesting as opposed to really interesting. or maybe i just have unrealistic expectations: the hype on this thread and elsewhere makes me expect it to be really different when it's only vaguely different. as he said, it's all down to tastes, good that others connect with it more than i do.
HAHAHA R U ACTUALLY MUD?
Jackin drums are really swung! It's all garage swing and twitches and pops! Lorenzo has told me how influenced he is by garage in his drum programing, and it's a common refrain I hear from fans of jackin - they love it's slinky rhythm section A house head friend of mine - one who loves his deep and tech - even told me that he found the basslines in jackin too much (some people just have it totally wrong, eh?) but that he loved the garagey drums.
Jackin has fuck all to do with tech house. It sounds nothing like tech house. This is a dead end theory.
Went to Vibe Bar the other day to see Marcus Nasty. His set was sick, pure jackin on a couple of function one stacks, it sound great, the bar wasn't packed but everyone was bubblin and vybezin. The guy after him comes on and starts playing like 'deep and tech' or 'shuffling' or whatever you want to call it - bog standard house. Me and my mates left within 3 tracks because it was so deadly boring.
Jackin sounds nothing like tech house. It sounds like garage - 2-step, speed garage, and mid 90s early uk garage house - and bassline and 'ardcore and hip hop and pop and fidget. It's song structure is pure rave drop-centric bizzness. Its basslines make you do faces like someone farted on the dancefloor. Its drums wiggle and shake in all the right places.
It's the best thing happening in music right now.
Jackin drums are really swung! It's all garage swing and twitches and pops! Lorenzo has told me how influenced he is by garage in his drum programing, and it's a common refrain I hear from fans of jackin - they love it's slinky rhythm section A house head friend of mine - one who loves his deep and tech - even told me that he found the basslines in jackin too much (some people just have it totally wrong, eh?) but that he loved the garagey drums.
Jackin has fuck all to do with tech house. It sounds nothing like tech house. This is a dead end theory.
Went to Vibe Bar the other day to see Marcus Nasty. His set was sick, pure jackin on a couple of function one stacks, it sound great, the bar wasn't packed but everyone was bubblin and vybezin. The guy after him comes on and starts playing like 'deep and tech' or 'shuffling' or whatever you want to call it - bog standard house. Me and my mates left within 3 tracks because it was so deadly boring.
Jackin sounds nothing like tech house. It sounds like garage - 2-step, speed garage, and mid 90s early uk garage house - and bassline and 'ardcore and hip hop and pop and fidget. It's song structure is pure rave drop-centric bizzness. Its basslines make you do faces like someone farted on the dancefloor. Its drums wiggle and shake in all the right places.
It's the best thing happening in music right now.
Last edited:
jimitheexploder
Well-known member
Got any examples of the swung stuff? Almost all the stuff I've heard is either a pretty stright ahead 4x4 grid kick or a broken beat kinda vibe but also stuck on a grid rather than having a looseness.
That Hannah Wants tracks is very tech house. A lot of the Cause & Affect stuff is very tech house: / loads of others in the mixes I can't name off the top of my head, but you don't have to look very far at all to hear it all over. I'll find some odd ones...
Bar the breakdown with the samples and all that its pretty much a stright up big room tech house track, just with a silly ravey fun breakdown. Plus the beat is a rigid 4x4 pulse hardly even has a odd break in it.
same sorta vocal stright up 4x4 tech house business. Only thing you could same that resembles garage in that is the vocal cos its taken from R&B.
that is pretty much shuffling in disguise. stright trudging 4x4, techy bassline leaning house pulse. Slower rhythm.
This one isn't that bad but has a broken beat or nu-skool breaks vibe to it rather than anything swung in the drums: so does and same with Snap Backs and Tattoos which has a slight garage vibe kinda and is deffo one of the best jackin tracks I've heard, it has more of a breakbeat garage beat like Stanton Warriors: the beat could be that if it was slowed down a bit.
If they're going for garage it aint even close to sounding in any way swung. The garage projection is way over played by ex-grime and nuum heads to my ears. It stinks of over justification of now liking something most of those heads would have laughed out the building even just a few years ago rather than having that much bassis in the acctual sound. I'd happily hear some suggestions tho.
That Hannah Wants tracks is very tech house. A lot of the Cause & Affect stuff is very tech house: / loads of others in the mixes I can't name off the top of my head, but you don't have to look very far at all to hear it all over. I'll find some odd ones...
Bar the breakdown with the samples and all that its pretty much a stright up big room tech house track, just with a silly ravey fun breakdown. Plus the beat is a rigid 4x4 pulse hardly even has a odd break in it.
same sorta vocal stright up 4x4 tech house business. Only thing you could same that resembles garage in that is the vocal cos its taken from R&B.
that is pretty much shuffling in disguise. stright trudging 4x4, techy bassline leaning house pulse. Slower rhythm.
This one isn't that bad but has a broken beat or nu-skool breaks vibe to it rather than anything swung in the drums: so does and same with Snap Backs and Tattoos which has a slight garage vibe kinda and is deffo one of the best jackin tracks I've heard, it has more of a breakbeat garage beat like Stanton Warriors: the beat could be that if it was slowed down a bit.
If they're going for garage it aint even close to sounding in any way swung. The garage projection is way over played by ex-grime and nuum heads to my ears. It stinks of over justification of now liking something most of those heads would have laughed out the building even just a few years ago rather than having that much bassis in the acctual sound. I'd happily hear some suggestions tho.
Last edited:
yet most everything posted here sounds like some degree of claude vonstroke x dj q. if that sounds like a slur to you because of nuum theory, then just ignore nuum theory. rather than trying to ignore or contort what this shit sounds like. Sonically, whats been offered here is what it is: tech house x northern bassline. Socially, the given descriptions sound like a mix of those two audiences too.
so, whats even wrong w that. that doesnt nullify its potential or energy.
jimitheexploder
Well-known member
Thats it.