john eden

male pale and stale
Ch 4 is when he reaches the moon - with the pinups and tubby and all that ;)

Chapter 4 is pretty great, but unfortunately it isn't THAT great. Just read it this morning.

The David Harvey companion lectures are essential I think (tho there are also some critiques of them floating about, inevitably).
 

john eden

male pale and stale
Chapter 25.

Some of it is quite hard to get your head around, but the Harvey lectures help with that.

I am enjoying it still.
 

droid

Well-known member
Hang on, I think there's a few ripostes to capital we should review first.

Shouldnt take long though.
 

john eden

male pale and stale
Finished volume 3 so I am officially the king of the Dissensus Marxist playground.

Vol 3 is quite good because it gets a bit more into crisis and the credit system. The chapters on ground rent are particularly punishing though.

Also there aren't that many David Harvey lectures to go with it.
 

luka

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Proud of you eden and awestruck by your persistance and powers of concentration. Many congratulations.
 

cwmbran-city

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entertainment

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Still don't quite understand why people bother with this. Isn't the "Ok, so he was wrong, but what he actually meant was...." getting a bit tired?
 

luka

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lots of right bits tho. not that ive read it lol. but more right than wrong taken as a whole.
 

entertainment

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that depends how you weigh the social science aspect, I guess. I mean yeah, there's exploitation going on in the world, but Marx' account of it is built on outdated and incoherent economic theory. Surely, even the radical contemporary Marxists have given up trying to sort out his labour theory of value by now. And of course in any case, history didn't really pan out like he predicted. I just think it's a shame that so many great thinkers, who have true and honest critique of capitalism, all seem to gravitate towards Marxism.
 

john eden

male pale and stale
that depends how you weigh the social science aspect, I guess. I mean yeah, there's exploitation going on in the world, but Marx' account of it is built on outdated and incoherent economic theory. Surely, even the radical contemporary Marxists have given up trying to sort out his labour theory of value by now. And of course in any case, history didn't really pan out like he predicted. I just think it's a shame that so many great thinkers, who have true and honest critique of capitalism, all seem to gravitate towards Marxism.

How is it wrong?
 

john eden

male pale and stale
what exactly do people mean by reicfication?

It's not a word I use, but isn't it basically objectification?

So women become objects for male gratification.

The products of people's labour, the things they create, become commodities.
 

Benny Bunter

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It's not a word I use, but isn't it basically objectification?

So women become objects for male gratification.

The products of people's labour, the things they create, become commodities.

And yet many men on the hard left oppose the women-led movement to abolish prostitution.
 
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