Leo

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it was a gold rush for IT consultants, using scare tactics on corporate America. companies didn't want to risk it and spent tons of "system upgrades" and redundant backups. it was a minor level of hysteria, newspaper articles about how you might not be able to get cash fro ATMs after 12/31/99, banks would lose all account records, etc. nutty.
 

luka

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I was at the end of the world looking out at the Pacific Ocean in total darkness wondering if the world had ended
 

luka

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It all felt massively anti climatic. I'd taken a cocktail of drugs which as usual just meant they cancelled each other out and it didn't feel much of anything. Watching the waves roll in, totally indifferent to the new millennium. Once it turned midnight people started hugging each other and that so I had to run away. Gross.
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
I've only listened to a bit of Burial, after reading Fisher's essay about crackle, and I can't recall my feelings about it. I can report back, at some point.
 

linebaugh

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I've only listened to a bit of Burial, after reading Fisher's essay about crackle, and I can't recall my feelings about it. I can report back, at some point.
its mid line music isn't it? not warped enough to satisfy the head and not physical enough to satisfy the body.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I dont agree but I can sympathise with you thinking its a mess. Because he is capable of rhythmic tension and precision, thinking of pirates, wounder, southern comfort, gutted off the first album. sometimes the sketchier ramshackle breaks feel a bit pinned on

all the best bits since untrue have been the ambient love story bits tucked between attempts at rave, and some of them even surpass untrue. come down to us, nightmarket, middle bits of truant, end of rival dealer
It's interesting that his music, as you say, amounts to (you might say) failed "attempts" at replicating sounds: first garage now rave. (That's if you take the interviews as genuine and it wasn't a deliberately arty project from day one.)

And of course, when modern producers succeed at making garage and hardcore pastiches it's always a bit hollow and underwhelming.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
It all felt massively anti climatic. I'd taken a cocktail of drugs which as usual just meant they cancelled each other out and it didn't feel much of anything. Watching the waves roll in, totally indifferent to the new millennium. Once it turned midnight people started hugging each other and that so I had to run away. Gross.
This sounds like Burial's origin story tbh
 

mixed_biscuits

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The imperfections - whether the crackle or stylistic collage or impressionistic/partial composition - are part and parcel of the hauntological premise to his music. One can't drag the glorious yet buried past into the present and experience it in its full vigour.

If Burial's music should date, it needs a meta-Burial to reanimate the feeling of originally hearing his music and - just as Burial does - also evoke the pathos of having lost the fullness of that original moment forever.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
It's interesting that his music, as you say, amounts to (you might say) failed "attempts" at replicating sounds: first garage now rave. (That's if you take the interviews as genuine and it wasn't a deliberately arty project from day one.)

And of course, when modern producers succeed at making garage and hardcore pastiches it's always a bit hollow and underwhelming.

Not necessarily true, check highrise aka dward.

Mental basslines.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Also i propelled the four tet as burial troll in 2012.

I mean the simularities are uncanny. same kind of crackly crumbling electronica, same kind of not-quite-jungle-garage crowd, same kind of inward looking.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
also @Corpsey even Simon has finally realised that jungle fundamentalism is the way forward - wake up! In a way i find Burial more disagreeable than jungle/garage fundamentalists, cos he doesn't cling to that dancefloor head shredding with no dancefloor, but returns inwards, back to the sulky goth bedroom.

Tim and Pete were kind enough to point me in the direction of superior examples of the form
And I must say this chap Phineus II does blast away my hackles
It's like a perfect combo of the period-precise replication so uncanny it's like time-travel, but with a degree of intricacy that befits this obsessive-compulsive age.
As Pete says:
"it's jungle, classic sounding jungle, made on Amigas and Akais with 90s synths and nothing that would tip you off to it being made 25 years later. But the level of detail to the tracks is just so intense, you'd be hard pressed to find many (any?) actual 93-95s release with that amount of work. People simply didn't have time to do all that back then, since the scene was changing so fast. They didn't have 10,12,15, however many years Mikey [Phineus II] has been doing this to really dig into a particular style, figure out all the rules, and then cheekily start messing with them. At the same time, it still has that 100% rugged bedroom studio feel to it, not some overpolished aseptic "mastery" of a genre."
 

version

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I made a thread on Xtra Spice Mikey. Love him.
 

daddek

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It is a slight mess, but I think that’s a product of some qualities of late burial that I value more than classic untrue burial. his late stuff tends toward falling apart far more frequently and more throughly than untrue-b. Untrue-b is carefully balanced , interally emo but outwardly reserved, presentable in front of your older cool mates , or big brother’s mates as per burial lore. Late-b seems bipolar, split between flamboyant hyperactivity and isolationist, almost desolate ambient retreat. Its unhinged, emotionally dramatic.


I like late, bifurcated burial, I think, because it feels like there’s more of a human there, there’s a wider possibility space between the two poles, and it sounds like less of a fuck is given while being more assured. It’s the good traits of middle age

Untrue burial felt like stronger, more durable material , literally higher quality, because of its restraint , it’s gathered focus, the note of caution.. It pulled from solid, nuumy , hoods-up sources and distilled them masterfully, intuitively. But that restraint also made it safe territory , & an attractive preset for other producers to endlessly replicate . It had the sense of predictability , overly mediated space that most of us felt or wanted to achieve as teenagers hanging around with mates .
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
you're trying to read Burial through the lense of jungle and garage, which was true for some of his bits, pirates, his inner city life remix, etc, but in reality his music has more in common with The Cure or whoever, there's none of that moronic trolling (i use this in a highly positive way btw) that you get in the best hardcore/jungle/garage. More than a lost future, it's the outsider wondering why he never got let into the rave in any real way - cos, I dunno, he'd be making techstep or wobble dubstep in 06 (or even breakcore) if he did.

You need to become more self-assertive in your musical tastes and not go off interviews, which I am pretty sure Kode Nine ghostreads before they are submitted, but anyway...
 

version

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His use of what sounds like bog standard sample pack fare when it comes to breaks is one of the things which stands out to me in the later stuff. He just seems to stick some standard amen or whatever looping in the background then does his thing over the top. The earlier stuff felt like he put a lot more work into the drums.
 
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