Obama V. Romney

IdleRich

IdleRich
To change the subject slightly - I was reading through the Michelle Malkin blog comments and it's crazy stuff. One guy said he was changing his will to cut out any of his family who had voted Democrat ("let them rely on Obama's hand-outs") and another swore not to donate any money next time a natural disaster happened in a blue state.
A lot of anger. I think that some of this stuff has gone beyond any kind of rationality and is just about choosing sides - maybe it is like Utd vs Citeh.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
("let them rely on Obama's hand-outs")

One great paradox of American politics is that states that vote for the GOP, the party of rugged all-American self-sufficiency, receive on average more federal spending per tax dollar paid than those that vote Democrat.
 

Sectionfive

bandwagon house
'conservative entertainment complex'

Stewart's ''crisis on bullshit mountain'' was good too as is this

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/c2fc6d5a-2826-11e2-afd2-00144feabdc0.html

What bit the dust on Tuesday was the world of denial in which Republicans have immured themselves ever since the rise of the Tea Party in 2009. This is a universe in which the financial crash was caused by over-regulation; one in which, despite years of brutal drought and violent weather patterns, climate change is a liberal hoax; a country that can correct a vast structural deficit without ever raising additional revenue, while expanding the military budget beyond anything sought by the Pentagon; a belief system in which Mr Obama was the source of all economic ills rather than the steward of the most intractable crisis since the Depression. The mantra was that a business executive would, simply by virtue of that fact, effect a magical rejuvenation of the staggering American economy.

But the most obstinate fantasy to die in this election was that the greatness of the US was somehow inseparably bound to the dominion of the white male
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
And on the other peaks of the bullshit range:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddes...ost-retweeted-history?fb=native&commentpage=1

dear god, this man shouldn't be allowed to write.

WE WUV OO, BAMA!

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IdleRich

IdleRich
I have to say that making history in a medium that has only existed for ten minutes isn't that incredible a statistic to me.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
@vimothy you said a lot of things and I'm not gonna go through them all one by one or anything. tho generally I'm pretty bewildered by some of your main themes. for one, your bizarre insistence on a single axis political spectrum that is so clearly - even by your own examples - inadequate. or how an economics grad student of all people can make talk about the immateriality of economic issues (and beliefs) to where the political center is. that said:

obviously the U.S. is on most (definitely not all) issues and in general more socially liberal, to varying degree, than it was in 1962 or 1912. just as obviously, the last 40+ years has seen a rightward rollback on the economic side of social policy (inequality and disparity, social safety nets, etc), in financial deregulation and especially in labor relations (examples too numerous to mention). in fact, it's just as easy to see the last century as a gradual destruction/defanging of the traditional Left - first the radicals crushed during and post-WWI, then the New Deal (which was bitterly criticized by a segment of leftists at the time, and then again in retrospect by the New Left), then the Great Society (a watered-down New Deal), eventually Clinton and now Obama, a center-right technocrat who a big chunk of the country thinks is a "socialist". that such a narrative would be just as selective and imperfect as yours just speaks to the problem of creating sweeping historical arcs in the first place. anyone with the training can use it to construct any narrative they want primary sources and/or raw data as the case may be.

as far as the rest...I mean eh. the timeframe for this radical break is totally arbitrary, I could pick a dozen other points and argue the exact same thing just using a word other than rationalism (or I could just argue that year zero moments don't happen that way at all) and eudaimonia and all this...well I mean droid said it already. it is interesting to see you choose a Platonist definition of modernity since that fits into my Edmund Burke picture of you these days (albeit an Edmund Burke into black metal and whatever).

but anyway, this all got pretty far afield.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
back on topic

@craner - thought that was mostly stating the obvious, whatever Bill O'Reilly's views on entitlement. this also goes back to what we were talking about above, how the Tea Party etc has damaged the mainstream GOP. a segment of that hard right forces immigration as a wedge issue (as another, overlapping, segment does for abortion) but even more that that whole vibe of angry white guyness is industrial strength person of color repellant. notice GW's compassionate schtick was antithesis of that.

there ain't no easy fix tho. not even a Rubio and/or Jeb dream ticket. (also, those dudes totally overlap. both appeal to a very specific group, Cubans in FL, who were already historically heavily GOP - tho even that may be changing - the opposite of virtually every other Hispanic population in U.S. so unclear how much crossover appeal either would have to huge swathes of Latino voters they'd need to at least make solid showing in. tbh I think Jeb would have broader appeal, despite not actually being Hispanic himself he ticks all the same boxes as Rubio does - maybe even moreso - plus he don't the Tea Party stink on him (tho who knows what that will mean in 4 years, and Rubio has plenty of time to rid himself of it). plus by 2016 Bush name will likely again be more of a positive than negative. Americans do love our political dynasties after all) real dream ticket might be Christie(assuming no health issues)/Jeb or Rubio. or someone with Bobby Jindal (tho also a Catholic, so more overlap) or Nikki Haley (not white! and a woman! rarest of GOP. tho has already gotten into serious anti-immigration shenanigans). anyway this is all the rankest speculation of course and none of it solves the GOP's real intrinsic problems but if I was a GOP strategist I wouldn't want to think about those problems either.

oh and speaking of pulling Signals from Noise, this was also very excellent
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
and just in case anyone ain't seen Karl Rove flip out over Ohio, do yourself a favor + head over to YT. good times. couldn't have happened to a more terrible dude (bet John McCain was watching that somewhere and getting a good laugh)

my other highlight of the election night was watching O's typically suave acceptance. while watching this thought hit me how awesome it would be if in the middle of it he just tore off his shirt Hulkamania style and underneath would be another shirt that said WELCOME TO 4 MORE YEARS OF MUSLIM COMMUNISM or MARXIST SHARIA 4 LIFE DAWG or something. or if he a pulled off a mask and underneath it was just renanimated corpse of Muammar Ghaddafi. or Friedrich Engels.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
and just in case anyone ain't seen Karl Rove flip out over Ohio, do yourself a favor + head over to YT. good times. couldn't have happened to a more terrible dude (bet John McCain was watching that somewhere and getting a good laugh)

my other highlight of the election night was watching O's typically suave acceptance. while watching this thought hit me how awesome it would be if in the middle of it he just tore off his shirt Hulkamania style and underneath would be another shirt that said WELCOME TO 4 MORE YEARS OF MUSLIM COMMUNISM or MARXIST SHARIA 4 LIFE DAWG or something. or if he a pulled off a mask and underneath it was just renanimated corpse of Muammar Ghaddafi. or Friedrich Engels.

:cool:

That would possibly have been the greatest event in the history of the world.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
@craner - thought that was mostly stating the obvious

Yeah, well I didn't think it was, as least I don't often hear a lot of praise for the George W. Bush BIG MEXICAN LOVE-IN.

So...ner!!
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
He didn’t even tell his wife he planned to get the tattoo until about an hour before.

“Right away, she was taken aback,” Hartsburg said “My 15-year-old son, however, he was all about it.”
Maybe those two opinions should have given him pause for thought.
 
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