This music didn't/doesn't get enough credit this is absolute madness.

Nobody's telling me that's shit. Maybe there's only a handful of tunes as good as that though, fair enough but miles better than the afrohouse that came after it.
Yep. Big grin on my face
 
embarrassing thread, especially the completely irritating old blogger exchange about what is and what isn't nuum between blackdown and glasshand don't get me wrong but lol. so early 2010s that debate about what and what isn't nuum. Peak whiteboy validation, as if liking German acid would have been a crime according to Martin lmao. Really that's who Muggs should pick his beef with.
Like it or not happy hardcore and wobble dubstep had more nuum credentials than Burial ever did, which was the disembodied, arty, intelligent project par excellence.
 

thirdform

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No contradiction there. Burial (in his album format) was a rockist project. His tunes got played at raves but they weren't built specifically for that purpose.
 
This music didn't/doesn't get enough credit this is absolute madness.

Nobody's telling me that's shit. Maybe there's only a handful of tunes as good as that though, fair enough but miles better than the afrohouse that came after it.
Best tune I’ve ever heard
 

luka

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No contradiction there. Burial (in his album format) was a rockist project. His tunes got played at raves but they weren't built specifically for that purpose.
hes saying the contradiction lies in saying no one should be allowed to talk about nuum credentials when the next second youre invoking nuum credentials
 

thirdform

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Actually tell you what it also sounds like a Timeblind midwestern chicago techno tune, but of course here be dragons.


Ooooh now it's time to cancel the daddy of them all, such a colossal sin.

 

thirdform

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As an aside I remember reading an interview with Mr C around 2000 or 2001 where he was touting tech house as the sound to watch out for as it was fresh. He listed various weaknesses for every other genre, including the classic line "alright- UK Garage is doing well in the charts- but it's not going to progress any more, is it?". I'd imagine that this was written round about the time when 138 trek was popular. A year after that the Garage crews would've blown up, a year after that was Pulse X, a year after that was Dizzee's I Love You, Qualifide, plus Benga & Skream. If anything I'd say a decade in Garage probably showed more progression than any other dance genre out there.

Not to defend mr. C, if you call yourself mister Chelsea you've got everything coming to you, but increasingly I'm coming to the conclusion that tech house is more of a marketting term than even some other genres. For sure, the wiggle/swag/housey doingz sound genrified it, but for me and for many old skool orientated techno heads the dividing line between house and techno is that paurous. Unfortunately with all the news coming out about his sleazebag behaviour, Derrick May sets from around 93-96 illustrate this, where he was mixing up dutch fresh fruit gear with Sneaky Tim tunes on Dance Mania. I think partly the reason why tech house has gotten such a bad rap (including from myself on many an occasion) is precisely because the likes of MR. C streamlined it and took out the central question // is it house or techno? I like the idea and the unorthodox execution of the merger of techno and house, I just don't like the fans and most importantly the lore of tech house. If I'm going to a more purist techno night (of course purist is used in a relative and not absolute sense here) I expect to hear garage dubs being pitched up and mixed in. Eddie Richards has always been more on it for me, but that's because he is much more about the bassline.

Now there are some london mixes where the djs play house and techno tunes in the mix together drawing out the connections and that to me is what tech house should have been.

Some recommendations:



This Dave Angel one is one of the best mixes ever. Phat and chunky house and techno mixed at London pirate radio UK garridge tempo.

This one from the other DJ Pierre (the Belgian one not the American one) also goes there:

 
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thirdform

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This video is a good overview of the south london boys. Though of course being from the North I need it to be more chaotic Arsenal less streamlined Chelsea.

So whilst historically correct for that sound, I take the ideological opposite narritive. for me tech house should never have been a genre, only a style of djing records together. But that's just me. For me it's about playing the crazy dubs of American house with more jackin techno. Post-Phuture wild pitch era DJ Pierre mixed with pitched down Joey Beltram. I intend to do a mix in this style this week but I don't see it being received too well on this forum. We'll see.

 
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thirdform

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hes saying the contradiction lies in saying no one should be allowed to talk about nuum credentials when the next second youre invoking nuum credentials

Fucking hell are both of you being thick today?

The point is whether dubstep, uk funky, etc etc are part of the nuum is an endless debate that people have wasted more time than is healthy for them, and is usually based on personal preferences, not an actual historical assessment (unlike simon's approach which was actually historical.)

Burial is objectively not part of the nuum though. He's just not, that's not a moral or personal valuation. His project works in tandum with the sonics of the nuum, but culturally it is something separate. whereas happy hardcore and wobble, albeit a far cry away from grime, operate(ed) with a similar socioeconomic logic. It is in that sence that they have more nuum credentials (regional variations on rave, etc etc) not in terms of sonics or identical demographics.
 
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