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Blackdown

nexKeysound
yeah, i mean, is there any other lineage that strongly lead to the current radford/shuffling/LDN deep house sound?
 
whytea

whytea

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Blackdown said:
yeah, i mean, is there any other lineage that strongly lead to the current radford/shuffling/LDN deep house sound?
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i suppose, but this new scene seems to have everything that dubbage wanted to move away from such as MC's and 'unintelligent' beats - as tippa talks about here http://futurenextlevel.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/dubbage-interview-with-tippa-from.html

I would say that this new sound come more from UKG drying up and house becoming the newest popular genre
 
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Blackdown

nexKeysound
really? loads of those tapepacks in this threads have hosts, are they that different to Tippa?

and while its clearly about abandon, if anything i find this scene too sonically "intelligent", too clean, too Euro.

i find this with house heads a lot tho: i take a macro view and see the similarities, they take a micro view and see the differences. i think the differences are too minuscule to be called differences; they disagree.

"nah mate, banging techy house is completely different to techy banging house, you have literally no idea..."

"erm but you have 4 straight kick drums a bar, offbeat hats and techy pads that keep repeating a lot."

"exactly!"

"we're done here..."
 
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doom

Public Housing
the micro is all that matters tho, its the micro you hear, that you dance to.

on paper there really is little to no differance between this sound and loads of other tech / deep house but that's only a problem if you're more concerned with talking or writing about something rather than experiencing it


I don't really see too much of a connect with dubbage tbh. Where dubbage was quite dry & rolling this sound is wound up, jacking (in the old sense of the word) it has a nervous / precarious energy.

Listening to the interviews with artists on Radfords show, UKG does seem to be a comman factor & whether its the influence of grime or what influenced grime it shares that same kind of staccato, loopy riffage without being minimilast. The tracks arn't horizontal like most euro tech house & they don't "doof" the same way, they are 4x4 but not metronomic.

And vocals. Almost everything has some scrap, some tiny (or not) referance to the human voice. Loopy female vox, little chopped up bits, hiccups, exaltations in the drums, movie quotes - you'll find it hard to sell the "intelligent" angle when you have tracks sampling Seth Rogan movies, faux news caster drug talk, chopped up rap tunes.

If you're not feeling it tho fair enough but I don't see the point in that kind of reductionist 'its just house' argument, trying to turn things into lists, its music not a bill of lading.
 
Benny Bunter

Benny Bunter

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the latest mark radford show on rinse is absolutely brilliant and, it has to said, totally nuumy like doom is describing. Remixes of little man, 31 seconds, full on speed garage tracks, late 90s dnb sounding ones. His own productions with False Identity are wicked too. Best set i've heard out of this scene so far.
 
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trilliam

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Blackdown said:
i find this with house heads a lot tho: i take a macro view and see the similarities, they take a micro view and see the differences. i think the differences are too minuscule to be called differences; they disagree.

"nah mate, banging techy house is completely different to techy banging house, you have literally no idea..."

"erm but you have 4 straight kick drums a bar, offbeat hats and techy pads that keep repeating a lot."

"exactly!"

"we're done here..."
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doesnt sound like you have an ear for house music really, i mean if it sounds all the same to you then you're not gonna suddenly understand what makes this different.

goes to everyone else saying just house like sub-genres don't exist.

re: dubbage, it was more of an ideology than a movement or genre, there are no dubbage tracks and outside of circle no "dubbage" raves, tbh it was just something the internet blew out of proportion.
 
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trilliam

Well-known member
this is a passage from bill brewsters dj saved my life, sums up my feelings on what makes nuum music

"The British bass has been a profound and constant influence on the country's DJs and producers, the filter through all other music styles must pass. In this way it gave us hardcore, jungle, drum and bass, UK grage, breaks, two-step, grime and all their offspring"

this is clearly from that lineage, only gotta hear certain tracks using *those* sounds/presets to realise that.

gna post up some mixes to accompany them flyers in a minute
 
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continuum

smugpolice
Blackdown said:
yeah maybe you're right.
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Tbh can't believe you've fallen off like this Blackdown. Much of your opinions on here nowadays are obviously biased towards yourself and your gang. Same with all the people who keep saying "its just normal House" or whatever. You're just wrong. Get over it. I know this is Dissensus and dissent is encouraged but think the discourse in this thread needs to move on from the above.
 
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Blackdown

nexKeysound
i've not fallen off you bellend, i'm standing up for what i hear and what i believe in.

falling off is pretending you always were into house and techno really, when house and techno were invented in the 80s, if not before. falling off is being into grime then acting like house is a new invention, when in fact it's just the case that you didn't bother to listen to it before 2009 but fashion tells you that you now can.

falling off is saying "oh, well i like the nuum and this is where the nuum community are taking drugs, ergo i must like it" while turning off my ears.

my opinions are concentrated around the stuff i do now because people and sounds i rated got so mediocre i got up off my arse and found people who were hungry to collaborate with. if 2step 2.0 or uk funky 2.0 was happening now i'd be enthusing about that too but instead everyone wants to be Jamie Jones.
 
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continuum

smugpolice
I just don't get why you are so against the nuum mixing with Tech and Deep House? I think it's great that we are seeing some unity between the numm crowd and the regular House lot when for so long they have been divided. The possibilities of what could happen are exciting even if you don't fully get the new tunes already made of this coming together.

You'd think that you would be a big supporter what with your interest in Funky before. A lot of the things you were against in Jackin' are removed here but still you are not happy. I've listened to the 130 producers you are into and it's not really anything as ground breaking as what we're seeing with House right now. Most of that 130 ish is post-Dubstep / Future Garage House with a bit of Grime attitude thrown in anyway.

You and the existing House guard are showing similar symptoms in reaction to this new development and have been acting really defensively as though what you stand for and do is under attack when the opposite is true.
 
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Blackdown

nexKeysound
I'm not against it, I just can't laud it: it's just a house variant. I recognise it is big, of the moment & has potential for the future, but if this truly the next UKG, right now please tell me one tune from this scene that can look "31 seconds" or "Destiny" or "I Luv U" or "LFO" or "Do you mind" in the eye? Just one.
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Know My Name (Amine Edge & Dance Re Edit) is probably the most distinctive, hardest tune I've heard in connection with this scene. Also 'Heading My Way' is ace.
 
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David_M

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Blackdown said:
falling off is pretending you always were into house and techno really, when house and techno were invented in the 80s, if not before.
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But then again so were garage house and funky house werent they? and it didn't stop people in the UK to come up with their own version. Not saying it's necessarily equal to what's happening right now, but that aversion to house and that need to force something groundbreaking new is not a good way to approach making/djing music imo. Speaking of nuum, I thought the main reason people respected Reynolds and his writing is that he coined a term explaining what was happening at the time, instead of trying to get things to his own turf and rewrite history the way he wanted it to happen.

That whole speech could be applied to Grant Nelson when he realeased the 24 Hour Experience EP's or Tuff Jam when they were releasing on Casa Trax. I remember when Do You Mind started creepin up on dj sets, most dubstep and grime people didn't like it and found it just cheesy and unoriginal, something that had already been done a million times. The D&B lot were complaining in 2006 about how dubstep was just slowed down D&B, and they all jumped ship a few years later.

The way I see it, most of those developments in UK dance music came slowly and the guys doing it weren't consciously trying to make genre-X 2.0, most of the time they were just trying to emulate something else and it ended up sounding like them, which was different.
 
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