i think this is key really
2013 > 013 > 130
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i think this is key really
I'm not. Let's keep this nice balance of similarity and difference.
Sectionfive
bandwagon house
On that point it's quite strange and I suppose further symptom of the broadness/dilution of focus that we don't have fwd>>, Tresor, Garage and of course House etc anymore.
When was the last time a club gave birth to a 'sound'?
When was the last time a club gave birth to a 'sound'?
Haha yea, satellite ting tho, everyone contributing to this sound is from all over the place..
anyways i like how we only take it to the club on special occasions, its memorable and more of a statement that way
jimitheexploder
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Nice 130-ish dark industrial rolling deep dubstep thing.
4linehaiku
Repetitive
Just follow the electro precedent and call it new wave. It'll be funny.
jimitheexploder
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Blackwax – Sonic Router x Uncle Albert Mix
Wen – Commotion [Keysound]
Brunks – Tools [Unreleased]
Untold – Stop What You’re Doing (Kowton remix) [Hemlock Recordings]
Ballistiq Beats – Concrete jungle (Beneath’s 350 remix) [Keysound]
Youngstar – Pulse X (Blackwax remix) [Liminal Sounds]
Hackman and Tesella – Now I’ve Lost My Number 4 [Audio Culture]
Sticky Feat Ms Dynamite ?– Booo! [Public Demand]
Wiley – Ice Rink (Moleskin remix) [Goon Club Allstars]
Skepta – UFO [Boy Better Know]
Dark Sky – Gaddagive [50 Weapons]
Jean Nipon – Black Things On Desk [ClekClekBoom]
LAS – Lowout (Teeth remix) [Signal Life]
Bambounou – Off The Motion[50 Weapons]
Jay Weed – Tunnels [2085]
Facta – Kobra [Unreleased]
Randomer – Nar [Hemlock Recordings]
Breen – Hoods Up [Unreleased]
Bloom – Zing Panther [Lost Codes]
Logos – Devils (Palace remix) [Unknown to the Unknown]
Wiley – Morgue [White]
MssingNo – Skeezer [Unreleased]
http://www.sonicrouter.com/2013/02/blackwax-sonic-router-x-uncle-albert-mix/
Wen – Commotion [Keysound]
Brunks – Tools [Unreleased]
Untold – Stop What You’re Doing (Kowton remix) [Hemlock Recordings]
Ballistiq Beats – Concrete jungle (Beneath’s 350 remix) [Keysound]
Youngstar – Pulse X (Blackwax remix) [Liminal Sounds]
Hackman and Tesella – Now I’ve Lost My Number 4 [Audio Culture]
Sticky Feat Ms Dynamite ?– Booo! [Public Demand]
Wiley – Ice Rink (Moleskin remix) [Goon Club Allstars]
Skepta – UFO [Boy Better Know]
Dark Sky – Gaddagive [50 Weapons]
Jean Nipon – Black Things On Desk [ClekClekBoom]
LAS – Lowout (Teeth remix) [Signal Life]
Bambounou – Off The Motion[50 Weapons]
Jay Weed – Tunnels [2085]
Facta – Kobra [Unreleased]
Randomer – Nar [Hemlock Recordings]
Breen – Hoods Up [Unreleased]
Bloom – Zing Panther [Lost Codes]
Logos – Devils (Palace remix) [Unknown to the Unknown]
Wiley – Morgue [White]
MssingNo – Skeezer [Unreleased]
http://www.sonicrouter.com/2013/02/blackwax-sonic-router-x-uncle-albert-mix/
Vic Serotonin
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Interview and a mix from Rabit for Liminal Sounds. The interview is a good read, with some interesting insights about his exposure to nuum sounds (and grime in particular) while being at a geographical remove (he's from Houston).
"As far as grime going on where I am, there’s no scene to speak of and I hope it stays that way. I think I’m an anomaly in that most people doing grime outside of the UK aren’t very good, they don’t get it."
http://www.liminalsounds.com/blog/liminal-sounds-vol-25-rabit/
Tracklist:
Visionist – Pain
Parker – Yellow Fever
Rabit – Pressurized
Wen – Late Night
Rabit – Soy Sauce
Wen – Road
Rabit – Melt
Myth – Seven
Sepia – No One Is Safe
Strict Face – Mylar Swamp
"As far as grime going on where I am, there’s no scene to speak of and I hope it stays that way. I think I’m an anomaly in that most people doing grime outside of the UK aren’t very good, they don’t get it."
http://www.liminalsounds.com/blog/liminal-sounds-vol-25-rabit/
Tracklist:
Visionist – Pain
Parker – Yellow Fever
Rabit – Pressurized
Wen – Late Night
Rabit – Soy Sauce
Wen – Road
Rabit – Melt
Myth – Seven
Sepia – No One Is Safe
Strict Face – Mylar Swamp
Local Authority
bitch city
Good to see this is finally being spoken about.
jimitheexploder
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If I was playing top trumps with them last few mixes...
Rabit slays it and Rabit aint even mixin'.
Bastard traxx.
haha
Rabit slays it and Rabit aint even mixin'.
Bastard traxx.
haha
SecondLine
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yeah that rabit mix is frosty as fuck
really enjoying this thread, cheers everyone
really enjoying this thread, cheers everyone
Vic Serotonin
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Interview + a nice little free tune from Settles:
http://www.getsomeuk.com/introducing046-settles/
"I think Blackdown’s on to something when he talks about the whole 130 thing he’s pushing, labelling by tempo makes sense because there are too many different influences involved to pin it down to one pre-existing tag. One of things that encouraged me to get into production was how exciting underground dance music seemed in London when I first moved here in 2010, and how open minded a scene it was musically. It’s become more and more compartmentalized since then, but I feel like it’s starting to open up again."
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http://www.getsomeuk.com/introducing046-settles/
"I think Blackdown’s on to something when he talks about the whole 130 thing he’s pushing, labelling by tempo makes sense because there are too many different influences involved to pin it down to one pre-existing tag. One of things that encouraged me to get into production was how exciting underground dance music seemed in London when I first moved here in 2010, and how open minded a scene it was musically. It’s become more and more compartmentalized since then, but I feel like it’s starting to open up again."
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Labelling by tempo doesn't make sense though imo.
Pinch talks sense when he talks about how music is best suited to being categorised using mood rather than bpm.
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This is 122 but its linked in with other music in this thread through vibe, not bpm. Tom made the same point earlier in the thread too.
Pinch talks sense when he talks about how music is best suited to being categorised using mood rather than bpm.
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This is 122 but its linked in with other music in this thread through vibe, not bpm. Tom made the same point earlier in the thread too.
OK Ben, hows about i make up some bait genre name and straightjacket your style that then? 
Tenner says you'll come back screaming and begging for something as ill defined and clearly-not-an-actual-label-but-a-placeholder as a tempo in about 5 minutes.
Trust me, been round this one a few times before...
Tenner says you'll come back screaming and begging for something as ill defined and clearly-not-an-actual-label-but-a-placeholder as a tempo in about 5 minutes.
Trust me, been round this one a few times before...
Benny Bunter
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Speaking (ahem) genre-ally, the best names are surely the ones that gain currency naturally through the fanbase or the producers themselves and often difficult to trace to an exact source.
Mind you, following this logic and given that this thread is basically about the music on your label (and is quite a small scene right?) you've actually got more right than anyone to name this genre Martin, I'd go for it!
But in all seriousness, having a sort of semi-genre status based around a particular label can be an honourable thing - obviously it happens a lot in house and techno (and obviously dubstep too which seems to be the main source for this stuff) to denote a particular flavour, and I think the stuff on this thread is much more on that level rather than any 'whole new genre' talk. If it started to really catch on and spread further then, fair enough.
Mind you, following this logic and given that this thread is basically about the music on your label (and is quite a small scene right?) you've actually got more right than anyone to name this genre Martin, I'd go for it!
But in all seriousness, having a sort of semi-genre status based around a particular label can be an honourable thing - obviously it happens a lot in house and techno (and obviously dubstep too which seems to be the main source for this stuff) to denote a particular flavour, and I think the stuff on this thread is much more on that level rather than any 'whole new genre' talk. If it started to really catch on and spread further then, fair enough.
Vic Serotonin
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It's interesting to see the opprobrium towards discussion around 130 as a label/placeholder here. I think it's fairly clear that the emphasis on 130 is being used as one way of providing a sense of cohesion (in contrast with the protean "post-dubstep"). But if we want to talk genres, then a lot of this stuff seems to me to be the product of a blurring at the interstices between grime, dubstep, and funky. Individual examples might lean more towards any one of of these three poles (eg. Epoch -> dubstep Visionist -> grime Beneath -> funky) but with the best tracks/producers I don't think it's ever easily reducible to just one of these three as you suggest Benny. For instance, Visionist talks about how hearing UK Funky/grime crossover stuff like Anaconda caused him to change up his approach as a producer:
http://www.liminalsounds.com/blog/interview-visionist/
Part of me regrets titling the thread with the tempo, but then again there really isn't any other obvious way of referring to it in lieu of an actual genre/sub-genre name, which, for many of the reasons cited here isn't something that you'd want to force or impose. Speaking from a purely utilitarian perspective it probably would've been a bit silly if I'd called the thread "nuumish mutant darkside progeny of funky, grime, and dubstep".
I don't think mood and tempo need to be set up as mutually exclusive ways of understanding this stuff. It might be better to think of the emphasis on 130 as a kind of organizing category, or as one way of approaching the sound that compliments its shared pirate radio/nuum ethos. I suspect if you conducted a basic sort of sociology of this stuff (which as a DJ/label-head/journo Blackdown kind of does) I think it's fair to say theres a general trend towards 130, and away from the two poles of 140 (dubstep) and 120ish (house). Since you're trying to blend/blur between funky (traditionally sub 130) and grime & dubstep (140) 130 feels about right doesn't it? And if you're DJing this stuff, you can set controls for 130, and include pretty much all of this stuff by pitching up and down where necessary, so I think that's probably partly where that figure comes from too.
http://www.liminalsounds.com/blog/interview-visionist/
Part of me regrets titling the thread with the tempo, but then again there really isn't any other obvious way of referring to it in lieu of an actual genre/sub-genre name, which, for many of the reasons cited here isn't something that you'd want to force or impose. Speaking from a purely utilitarian perspective it probably would've been a bit silly if I'd called the thread "nuumish mutant darkside progeny of funky, grime, and dubstep".
I don't think mood and tempo need to be set up as mutually exclusive ways of understanding this stuff. It might be better to think of the emphasis on 130 as a kind of organizing category, or as one way of approaching the sound that compliments its shared pirate radio/nuum ethos. I suspect if you conducted a basic sort of sociology of this stuff (which as a DJ/label-head/journo Blackdown kind of does) I think it's fair to say theres a general trend towards 130, and away from the two poles of 140 (dubstep) and 120ish (house). Since you're trying to blend/blur between funky (traditionally sub 130) and grime & dubstep (140) 130 feels about right doesn't it? And if you're DJing this stuff, you can set controls for 130, and include pretty much all of this stuff by pitching up and down where necessary, so I think that's probably partly where that figure comes from too.
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Benny Bunter
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whats this weird tempo obsession? If it does nothing to describe the music that its referred to then whats the point of even mentioning it? You can find dance music of practically every description at this tempo.
This stuff only draws inspiration from a very specific part of funky, which was basically the part that sounded most like early dubstep anyway - dark rolling drums, brooding bass etc...but there was always much more to funky than that. Its much more a dubstep thing, I mean we're talking about Blackdown here!
This stuff only draws inspiration from a very specific part of funky, which was basically the part that sounded most like early dubstep anyway - dark rolling drums, brooding bass etc...but there was always much more to funky than that. Its much more a dubstep thing, I mean we're talking about Blackdown here!
Benny Bunter
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sorry but this is pure waffle man