REAL TRAP (/ TRVP) SHIT (SHITE?) 2013

[jimitheexploder]

Yeah I've heard him play Pon Di Floor a few times too. He just plays fun shit sometimes, why wouldn't you.

 

[CrowleyHead]

oneman has been just as confused.

Oneman is Diplo without ever having been involved in making actual music of worth. He isn't worth the spittle/skin cells of defending via text or speech.

Also in regards to Kode, "Niggas in Paris" ISN'T Trap, I should make that distinction. And Kode's always had an interest in weird hip-hop, like playing Clipse songs even as far back as... Was it 2005 or so? And also, it's not like I'm out to do blows to the guy; this is someone who I do admire a great deal!

It may just have a lot to do with the fact that I hated that beat and so to find it being seen as a 'genre-breaker' was a bit much for me. Nonetheless, I find that unless it's certain people who clearly have an... aesthetical taste in something, I worry about their use of a genre.

Like with Kuedo, yes he was playing a bunch of road rap/trap records, but they had a similar aesthetic in the synths that would inevitably appear in the records he made. With these guys, all I'm hearing is this amorphous blend of dance music, with the idea of making hits. There's nothing pronounced about it. It's mush. I personally need things to have a mental parameter or something in common... Otherwise, it's just lazy.

 

[rubberdingyrapids]

this kode/hipster debate is pretty ridiculous. do you think paradinas is a hipster for jumping all over footwork? people are moved by different things at different stages in their lives and careers and sometimes get bored of stuff - that's how it works. i've seen kode play night and pon de floor before - i don't think he plays anything cos he thinks it's trendy.

being a label boss and a dj/producer are two different things imo. and again, im not saying kode is a hipster in the perjorative sense.

i love kode 9, hes one of the best djs around imo and sure, its prob stupid to judge a dj for playing one or two tracks in a club. was just surprised to hear him jumping on something that doesnt - far as i can tell - seem like a genuine thing, and seems a bit faddish. but yknow, harlem shake is/was great, so whos to say...

this is interesting -

I feel like maybe if there was a general... URBAN version of this 'new-trap', there'd be something of interest.

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i feel the same. im sure kanye will be on it soon lol.

 

[CrowleyHead]

Be nice. The last time black people mutated a bastardization of black music by white people, you got Jungle. An American Trap Continuum would be cool.

 

[trilliam]

Oneman is Diplo without ever having been involved in making actual music of worth. He isn't worth the spittle/skin cells of defending via text or speech.

funny ud say that cause for my money oneman was the FIRST dj on these waters tryna mix wacka flocka tracks and all that shit. it actually put me off him but he was ahead of the trend and this thread is the evidence

 

[Roshman]

Before you lot get carried away, it should be said he played burial, older dubstep, grime, a couple of jackin bits, funky and a jungle track as well as the stuff discussed in this thread at DmZ.

Let's not forget that's a skill in itself, to run through and connect so many different styles in a coherent and pleasing manner.

Someone said that it's similar to what he was doing with funky, that it was one way or "leeching". He ended up putting out a fair amount of Funky, or at least Funky influenced stuff on his label, which indicates he wasn't just an observer. Who knows what he might release in regards to his new found fascination with trap.

Oneman is Diplo without ever having been involved in making actual music of worth. He isn't worth the spittle/skin cells of defending via text or speech.

That is awfully harsh. It's easy to see Oneman as some form of pied piper for a whole load of bandwagoners. But what he does with trap needs to be looked at with the context of his mixing in mind. He is pretty much solely a DJ after all.

I avoid listening to Oneman as best as I can. It's hard not to find yourself recreating what he's doing when he's normally playing tracks that have been released. But a good friend is an avid listener and in regards to the trap oneman plays, he noticed that it's often paired and blended with tracks that have a sombre tone or mood. It's like he's creating a commentary through his mixing by introducing sounds that more accurately give away the mood, and conditions of the places this music was made in and where it comes from in contrast to the usual rap vocal tropes of blowing your own trumpet about your success.

It's an interesting take on it, and I'm not sure how much I can agree on it without sitting down with a few podcasts and observing for myself. It might be a stretch to some (eg. JOE MUGGS) to state that a DJ is trying to do more than just play tracks one after the other, but there are some out there that try to say more with the tools they have.

Yeah I've heard him play Pon Di Floor a few times too. He just plays fun shit sometimes, why wouldn't you.

NO FUN ALLOWED. WE MUST DEBATE THE AUTHENTICITY OF HIS ACTIONS BEFORE ANYONE IS ALLOWED TO HAVE FUN.

 

[CrowleyHead]

funny ud say that cause for my money oneman was the FIRST dj on these waters tryna mix wacka flocka tracks and all that shit. it actually put me off him but he was ahead of the trend and this thread is the evidence

I vaguely believe Sinden did it first and he was just keeping up w/ the trend, but it's not anything to take pride in.

 

[datwun]

Authenticity is so weird, have any of the original trap rap guys complained about the Internet stuff?

 

[Sectionfive]

funny ud say that cause for my money oneman was the FIRST dj on these waters tryna mix wacka flocka tracks and all that shit. it actually put me off him but he was ahead of the trend and this thread is the evidence

Sunday nights.

Nightslugs/Ikonika axis were doing a bit too I think but he was the first to stand out

 

[rubberdingyrapids]

Authenticity is so weird, have any of the original trap rap guys complained about the Internet stuff?

no but i doubt they would. either as it is just out of their bubble or because to complain would be possibly ruining chances of gettting over to a different/bigger audience.

 

[trilliam]

no but i doubt they would. either as it is just out of their bubble or because to complain would be possibly ruining chances of gettting over to a different/bigger audience.

think its the former rather than the latter i mean, i doubt anyone wud have a problem with this if all these bauer, flosstradamus w/e listeners were getting turned onto trappin aint dead, burrprint etc etc

some interviews ive seen guys are flat out refusing to acknowledge the originators. i mean say what u want about diplo but at least he made that whole gucci remix tape, ye it was awful save for one or two tracks but he knows when to give props.

 

[CrowleyHead]

think its the former rather than the latter i mean, i doubt anyone wud have a problem with this if all these bauer, flosstradamus w/e listeners were getting turned onto trappin aint dead, burrprint etc etc

some interviews ive seen guys are flat out refusing to acknowledge the originators. i mean say what u want about diplo but at least he made that whole gucci remix tape, ye it was awful save for one or two tracks but he knows when to give props.

lol, I actually enjoyed the Gucci tape when done by Diplo. The Sinden one, now THAT was a tragedy.

I don't think that there is much transition for the new listeners though. We're talking about a generic dance music that promotes an instantaneous cheap fix, and rap music which involved a bigger degree of attention because you have both beat and MC. It's, dare I say, not far from the dubstep/grime schism where the pure dubstep fans hated the presence of MCs 'cluttering up' their music. Why deal with black people when you can avoid it, which is quite frankly a big draw of EDM to white people... Techno/House/etc. that has roots in black culture even a basic person can concieve of? EDM? EDM is whiter than white.

 

[NATO]

I distinctly remember reading an article where someone from hip hop was laying into all this "trap" stuff. Don't think it was a trap artist tho, really wish I could remember - it's doing my nut in.

 

[daddek]

maybe asap yams
http://www.complex.com/music/2012/11/asap-yams-42-favorite-albums/urban-legend

oh, hadnt noticed 1st time, but he also talks about how trap didnt even used to mean 808 beats, it just meant overt crack house / d-boy lyrics.

 

[rubberdingyrapids]

TI did the trap muzik album about a decade ago. not much on there that sounds like whats going on today.

edit - ah, just seen asap yams said the same thing.

 

[UFO over easy]

i think its more complicated than you're all making out


there's that mad decent trap video where the trapaholics dude is hanging out with flosstradamus and co

stuff like this -

i don't buy the 'internet vs real life' thing either. new hip hop is internet music too. youtube, mixtapes etc

to complain would be possibly ruining chances of gettting over to a different/bigger audience.

and all this kinda stuff? does anyone believe bauuer has a bigger audience than gucci mane?


the edm trap thing is definitely problematic but some of this analysis is terrible

 

[rubberdingyrapids]

and all this kinda stuff? does anyone believe bauuer has a bigger audience than gucci mane?

well yeah. isnt bauer number one off all those youtube dance videos?

 

[UFO over easy]

gucci mane has been a major label artist for years. he wears huge diamond chains in the shape of bart simpson and an ice cream cone.

bauuer topped the billboard 100 thanks to youtube videos including 30 seconds of his music and which don't mention his name. he is still playing (relatively) small club venues

lemonade and my kitchen both have over 20 million hits on youtube, and neither of them were 'viral sensations'. gucci has 7 million FB likes, baauer has 90,000 etc

 

[rubberdingyrapids]

i get what youre saying... though im still sceptical about using youtube plays or facebook likes as a way to gauge popularity. like i said before though, if not 'bigger', then rappers are still pretty keen on the whole about getting access to different/new audiences.

 

[UFO over easy]

me too, but its not exactly a marginal difference in those facebook numbers. baauer, flosstradamus etc are like the biggest names in this kind of sound and they have under 100,000 likes each. the internet fan-base of pretty much any vaguely established major label rapper dwarfs them both combined, and the internet is where you're saying the EDM-trap dudes have their biggest following? or have i misunderstood?

white middle class people have constituted a big component of raps audience for a long time too