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Clinamenic

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We at JournoDAO are working on a proto-curriculum for a Web3 Journalism 101. Just did a zoom workshop around minting "writing NFTs" on Mirror.xyz, and this video would be the first in our Web3 Journalism Workshop Series. I can share it here once we post it, if anyone is interested.
 

version

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what might have been.

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Embarrassing. Reminds me of her (or her social media manager) tweeting 'happy birthday to this future president' with a picture of herself prior to the election.

 

Mr. Tea

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Embarrassing. Reminds me of her (or her social media manager) tweeting 'happy birthday to this future president' with a picture of herself prior to the election.

Less embarrassing than continuing to refer to yourself as "the president" two years after you lost.
 

Leo

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Embarrassing. Reminds me of her (or her social media manager) tweeting 'happy birthday to this future president' with a picture of herself prior to the election.


The NY Times piece is actually not embarrassing, it's standard journalism practice to pre-write chunks of big stories in advance. this was a placeholder, where they could fill in details and get the news out quickly. do you think a newspaper starts writing a 5,000-word election coverage/analysis when the election is finally called? lots of big stories appear to be going one way and then end up being different, this is one of those cases. she was ahead in all the polls, so made sense to get a jump.

the Clinton campaign tweet was embarrassing.
 

version

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If they have unused front pages for other losing candidates too then fair enough. If they just have a display for Hillary then it's embarrassing.
 

Leo

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If they have unused front pages for other losing candidates too then fair enough. If they just have a display for Hillary then it's embarrassing.

There are unused place holder stories all the time, for all sorts of ongoing stories.

Also, it would have been very easy for them to just trash that page and never have it see the light of day. Instead, they have it as one as a single element in a room devoted to a mini-museum tracing the history of the paper. I give them points for including it.
 

version

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There are unused place holder stories all the time, for all sorts of ongoing stories.

Also, it would have been very easy for them to just trash that page and never have it see the light of day. Instead, they have it as one as a single element in a room devoted to a mini-museum tracing the history of the paper. I give them points for including it.

That makes it sound as though it is just one for her and no one else.

I'd have voted for her over Trump, but it feels as though her and her supporters in the media felt she should have won, deserved to win and still cling to it in an embarrassing way, much like Trump's supporters still cling to the idea that he really won the last one.

There's bound to be some ego with anyone running for the position, but Trump and Hillary seem almost uniquely entitled in comparison to Obama, Romney, Bush, McCain and whoever else.
 

Mr. Tea

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That makes it sound as though it is just one for her and no one else.

I'd have voted for her over Trump, but it feels as though her and her supporters in the media felt she should have won, deserved to win and still cling to it in an embarrassing way, much like Trump's supporters still cling to the idea that he really won the last one.

There's bound to be some ego with anyone running for the position, but Trump and Hillary seem almost uniquely entitled in comparison to Obama, Romney, Bush, McCain and whoever else.
Of course I'm looking at this from the POV of an outsider, but it seems totally insane to me to have a system whereby one candidate can get millions more votes than the other and yet still somehow lose the election.
 

Mr. Tea

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Agreed that Clinton very much gave the impression of believing that it was "her turn", which surely didn't help her campaign.

OTOH, plenty of men (and probably some women) who didn't vote for her might have voted for a male Democratic candidate with an identical career record and platform, I think.
 

Leo

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That makes it sound as though it is just one for her and no one else.

I'd have voted for her over Trump, but it feels as though her and her supporters in the media felt she should have won, deserved to win and still cling to it in an embarrassing way, much like Trump's supporters still cling to the idea that he really won the last one.

There's bound to be some ego with anyone running for the position, but Trump and Hillary seem almost uniquely entitled in comparison to Obama, Romney, Bush, McCain and whoever else.

no sense in me continuing to explain how newspapers work, or the fact that the Times chose to include a unique moment in history in their small retrospective room. you've got a bug up your ass about this, either purposely ignoring what I'm saying or determined to take the conversation in a different direction. that's fine. I still love you, version. well, maybe like you.
 

version

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I know how newspapers work. I'm not labouring under the impression they wrote the article after the election. I'm saying it's embarrassing to keep a front page celebrating Hillary's hypothetical success years after she lost.
 

luka

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Of course I'm looking at this from the POV of an outsider, but it seems totally insane to me to have a system whereby one candidate can get millions more votes than the other and yet still somehow lose the election.
labour often get more votes than the tories and still lose. i agree it seems insane.
 

Mr. Tea

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labour often get more votes than the tories and still lose. i agree it seems insane.
That last happened in the 50s, I think. It's theoretically a risk with every election in this country but in the USA it's happened twice this century already (Al Gore got half a million more votes than GWB in 2000).
 
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