KAN YAY OR KAN NAY? (The Kanye West Thread)
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I came up with this idea of generative music in about 2003. And then found out Brian eno already was trying it. My version was much better though it was more about the files midi and stems with samples released alongside mp3
Leo
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Kanye West sued over sample: 'There's a right and wrong way to do it'
"There is a right way and a wrong way to go about it," says musician Marshall Jefferson.
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shakahislop
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the perfect example of music fame making someone go off at the deep end. for whatever reason the rock and indie worlds have got it nailed these days, not that many wreckheads about, even the superstars seem pretty balanced. rap definitely doesn't. kanye being the prime example. i was watching megan thee stallion gesturing at her vag at teenage girls at reading the other day. it must be nuts to be her. how could anyone hack it. slightly different thing but kendrick (not that he's said anything remotely along these lines, so what do i know) sounds a bit like he's feeling the pressure of being a de facto figurehead, icon, all of that.
shakahislop
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with kanye you can hear it in the tunes i think. actually it's an important part of the cocktail, the kind of vulnerability you get in a lot of his tunes, the ego-mania, the disgust with what fame has bough for him, his sex guilt. asap rocky doesn't have these kinds of problems.
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takes a certain personality to be at the front of the stage. watching an Eno docu featuring a certain simon @blissblogger at the mo and there's a bit where they're talking about him breaking away from Roxy Music where he started to feel a bit boxed in. but now liberated, made his own band, went on tour, free at last, only to suffer a collapsed lung (probably psychosomatically induced) caving to the pressure. he was never cut out to be a front man.
shakahislop
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i think so. he's always going to be a relevant figure coz he's been such a trailblazer, and he's always going to make waves when he speaks. but i hope his finances are in order. he's obviously not alright so who knows how well he's been managing all that cash.
musically its been over for a while obviously, don't have high hopes for him ever putting out anything i want to listen to again
musically its been over for a while obviously, don't have high hopes for him ever putting out anything i want to listen to again
shakahislop
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one of his best tunes
Leo
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I guess, but can he maintain that level of trailblazer status when he's no longer able to do regular projects with adidas and Balenciaga? and when he's booted off all social media aside from parlor?
shakahislop
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i hope so. i don't think people can be totally silenced by the cancellation thing.
a related but slightly separate point is that one thing that's really attractive about music in general, as opposed to other forms of expression (or art or whatever the right term is), is that its a bit more democratic, its less tied up in popular support and the barriers to entry are lower. which is why its one of the artforms that has the most working class representation i think.
shakahislop
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yeah. i guess we'll see how it plays out. i don't know if the cancellation thing is something that's been discussed on here, probably it has. could be fruitful if not. or maybe not.
the most similar one to kanye is wiley obviously. which still seems like a bit of an injustice to me, all things considered, and actually does seem to have worked pretty well actually, he's totally off the radar.
Leo
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Cancellations
So Lovecraft was a racist, but is still not quite cancelled? R Kelly, the paedo/sex abuser, cancelled? I would still like to be able to hear his tunes, but i don't think it's allowed now MJ likewise, but his tunes are canonical? Conrad was a bit racist too, but is not cancelled, afaik I...
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Pandiculate
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Corpsey
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At this point he's a total car crash and I've been rubbernecking for weeks, like millions of others I suppose.
I think the final part of the netflix doc showed all this would happen -- a mentally ill narcissist with almost unlimited resources and nobody around him left to tell him no. Plus you saw him starting to get wooed by Tucker Carlson et al.
Didn't see the antisemitism coming, but it's also not surprising given his evangelical bent and his paranoia.
Hard to feel sorry for someone who's such a dickhead but it's still really terrible to witness someone spiral into mania and delusion with nothing to stop it happening. (And Candace Owens and co in his ear.)
It'll be hard for him to be uncancelled at this point but I also don't think he'll struggle to keep getting attention, which is what he most wants and what the internet gives the attention seeking in spades.
I think the final part of the netflix doc showed all this would happen -- a mentally ill narcissist with almost unlimited resources and nobody around him left to tell him no. Plus you saw him starting to get wooed by Tucker Carlson et al.
Didn't see the antisemitism coming, but it's also not surprising given his evangelical bent and his paranoia.
Hard to feel sorry for someone who's such a dickhead but it's still really terrible to witness someone spiral into mania and delusion with nothing to stop it happening. (And Candace Owens and co in his ear.)
It'll be hard for him to be uncancelled at this point but I also don't think he'll struggle to keep getting attention, which is what he most wants and what the internet gives the attention seeking in spades.
shakahislop
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i haven't followed it since the initial tweets. i can't remember what exactly he said in those, but at the time i thought that what had blatantly happened is that he'd been down an internet rabbit hole, and i thought that basically taking away his livelihood was too big a punishment for having the opinions he had tweeted. i don't know though, it's not a hill i want to die on.
shakahislop
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One aspect of the Kanye stuff that's interesting is it puts real strain on the popular conception of mental illness being this serious but benign thing where mentally ill people don't do anything 'problematic'.
It's generally accepted that he's seriously unwell, but only up to the point that he says something offensive. Once he does that then the discussion switches to him just being a dick and people try to compartmentalise his behaviour and his illness, i.e. he's not in control when he's just being embarrassing or weird, but when he's being offensive he's in full control because it's unacceptable to consider anything which might appear to let him off the hook somewhat.
It's generally accepted that he's seriously unwell, but only up to the point that he says something offensive. Once he does that then the discussion switches to him just being a dick and people try to compartmentalise his behaviour and his illness, i.e. he's not in control when he's just being embarrassing or weird, but when he's being offensive he's in full control because it's unacceptable to consider anything which might appear to let him off the hook somewhat.