VICE magazine's G. MacInnes in The American Conservative

[tryptych]

Nobody falls for this first year political science debate society chit chat any more.

Doesn't make it necessarily false though, hmm?

 

[simon silverdollar]

VICE is like 'Nuts' or 'Zoo' for people who live in Hoxton and wear tight jeans isn't it?

 

[john eden]

Nobody falls for this first year political science debate society chit chat any more.

As someone involved with VICE, you must be aware that people will "fall" for any old shit if you stick enough colour photos and corporate advertising around it.

 

[petergunn]

"So we've been sucessfully sold back the idea that the act of rebelling can be done by purchasing, making consumer choices. Whether that be the music you listen to, the clothes you wear, or the drugs you take."


Who is "WE"? Sounds like something Penny Rimbaud would say half way through a bottle of wine. He's 65. Spackboy aren't you a bit young to be making tired old generalisations like this?

Nobody falls for this first year political science debate society chit chat any more.

dude, don't apologize for being part of a yuppie/entitled prick magazine... c'mon... just admit it, you guys take underground shit, recycle it and give it a spin your advertisers like and then walk away with a pocketful of cash. everyone knows this. some people like it, some people don't. when someone calls you on this, you should say "so what" and publish your next photo of people in East New York smoking crack or transexuals having fist fights, not argue with them. the bottom line is when compared to real underground shit, Vice doesn't have a leg to stand on, but when compared to Spin, Black Book, Dazed and Confused, etc etc, it comes out smelling like roses. the problem arises that those magazines don't pretend to have any importance whatsoever, where occasionally it seems like Vice has delusions of grandeur.

i have to say, when i first picked up a copy of Vice, it reminded me of a paler version of Popsmear. Any USA people remember this magazine? same mix of fashion, drug culture, street culture, music, with the same "i'm a happening hip young dude, partying in the city" editorial vibe, but done a little smarter with more writing and less fashion, but fuck it, the fashion brings in the money...

 

[simon silverdollar]

As someone involved with VICE, you must be aware that people will "fall" for any old shit if you stick enough colour photos and corporate advertising around it.

and that's VICE merkled....

!!

 

[mms]

i like some of it and its anti boring people so thats good and it not wining.
its free so you can pick it up or put it down or do what you want with it.
the record reviews are good and dos or don'ts is funny as there is no excuse for dressing badly.
they have a label that releases music i like.
piers martin has his own page in the uk one and hes spot on .

there are lots of other things i don't like about it but you get that with anything if you have critical faculties.

ultimatley like most magazines its main purpose is to hype new goods month on month .

 

[AshRa]

The reviews of Coldcut / Hollertronix were so scathing and spot-on I was crying with laughter when I read them yesterday... "So out of date it's actually frightening"

 

[Diggedy Derek]

That's pretty damn funny actually.

 

[AshRa]

I'm beginning to change my opinion of Vice with the last two issues, they seem to be really going out on a limb. Current issue is almost entirely fictitious and quite a frightening read (you have to constantly remind yourself that the stories are fiction) somewhere beyond self-parody. I found myself questioning whether some of the music reviews and adverts were concocted by the writers too... Just flip to the back 2 pages to see what I mean.

 

[Buick6]

I can read Vice on the toilet quick enough to not get pins and needles. Which means it's a shit read.

 

[stelfox]

Hey this thread is great for publicity.

This one goes out to all those crying about the Nick Kilroy article...

Were you friends with Nick?

Nick was a friend and actually volunteered to write that piece for Vice. When he died we asked the people closest to him for permission to run the picture and the article. They consensus was: "yes, that's what Nick would have wanted."

So, in what way did you find it "sickening"? You think we shouldn't have mentioned he'd just died?
Pretended he was still alive and OK? Ignored the fact that a contributor and a friend had died of an OD?
You don't think that article will make people think twice about going down the same road as Nick?

Let me know your thoughts cwybabies.

well, if this doesn't prove my point that vice is a ton of adolescent horseshit, i don't know what does. i like simon's comparison with andrew dice clay, because i'm sure vice would rather see itself as bill hicks, but it's not. brilliant stuff about bow, andy. fucking genius. i live very near bow and have done for 10 years. i've been walking through that area at all hours of night and day for what amounts to one-third of my life... never once had a problem. the fact that you guys can pitch up for a couple of days and nearly get murdered, does that not tell you something?

 

[ambrose]

maybe what scares people about vice is actually the fact, that like metro, free distributed publications are the way to go for the entire print media industry, and thus herald the end of that industry in its current format.

 

[Logan Sama]

What scares me about Vice is the utter nonsense written in it about people of a socio-economic under class which borders on minstrelesque.

I don't really mind if people with more money than sense want to smoke crack in their soho apartments.

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

What really scares you all about vice is that they've taken bits and pieces of 'your' culture and have had some success turning them into a glossy, money making enterprise.

It's just a magazine, deal with it!

 

[maximizer]

Vice magazine is one of the best magazines in the world, they are the pioneers in free urban culture related magazines.
Im from the UK however live in Montreal, and putting out my first issue of
Rage mag in March, Vice really had a big impact on me.

 

[john eden]

Vice magazine is one of the best magazines in the world, they are the pioneers in free urban culture related magazines.
Im from the UK however live in Montreal, and putting out my first issue of
Rage mag in March, Vice really had a big impact on me.

Are Vice to blame for your near-autistic level of monomania on Dissensus, max?

 

[bassnation]

What really scares you all about vice is that they've taken bits and pieces of 'your' culture and have had some success turning them into a glossy, money making enterprise.

i prefer sugar ape personally - incisive articles on the stray scene and upcoming artists like 15peter20, surely vice magazine is nothing but a poor parody in comparision.

 

[jenks]

ahh maximiser the character that came up up with the threat of spamming dissensus into the stone age

vice mag continues to be a publication that confuses political insight with lazy journo positioning.

being aware of the words and labels you use does not make you slavishly opposed to what is uncool, but the misnomer pc does worry me - when people use the epiphet pc it gives them an out. if we think in terms of politicallyaware then i think we have a currency we can trade in, if we are consciously aware of the connotations of an ascribed label maybe we can find ways of describing that is less inflammatory

 

[jenks]

Are Vice to blame for your near-autistic level of monomania on Dissensus, max?

monomaniac, moi

 

[Yoghurt Sothoth]

if we think in terms of politicallyaware then i think we have a currency we can trade in, if we are consciously aware of the connotations of an ascribed label maybe we can find ways of describing that is less inflammatory

BUT THAT'S JUST POLITICAL AWARENESS GONE MAD!