i mean the John Eden type. the spritiual form.
None spiritualer! But yeah, I get what you mean. "Broad church" and all that.i mean the John Eden type. the spritiual form.
That's why a split would've made logical sense. I respect the Change UK people who walked out.it's tricky. a labour party somehow has to pull of thr trick of including a Mr Tea, a John Eden, a Danny L, an Oliver Craner, a Sadmanbarty, a Subvert47, a luka....
foreign policy hawks, trade unionists, village hall socialists,small c conservatives, neoliberals, policy wonks, revolutionaries, saints, martyrs, self-professed 'realists', and so on and so forth. how do you pull that trick off?
They just needed to be led by someone who wanted to win an election and was prepared to talk to the country as a whole to do so.although Corbyn is the greatest Englishman who ever lived, even including the mythical King Arthur, he led a party full of too many weasels and ferrets and they wouldn't submit to a man with a halo. the party needs a leader who is part weassel, part ferret. they won't be led by a saint.
This stuff has been rolling since the 70s though. I've been watching documentaries on Labour over lockdown and it's remarkable how similar the language used back then is to the stuff that comes up now. Calls for deselection, accusations of lack of loyalty. Same stuff.None spiritualer! But yeah, I get what you mean. "Broad church" and all that.
It's a fucking pisser seeing the way the Tories, DUP and UKIP/Brexit Party have worked together over the past four years while Labour has been unable to work properly as a single party, let alone work with other parties. Even those Tory MPs who opposed Brexit and have been critical of Johnson eventually just bit the bullet and pulled together.
I don't know if Left/Right really works anymore tbh. What does Conservative mean in relation to Johnson? What does Left mean in relation to say Chuka Ummuna?splits dont work. the whole point of left and right is that it splits all of humanity in two. on this side of the line or the other.
And yet, here they are, with an 80-seat majority. I think the right-wing press have gone so mental in the last few years that the Tories have got almost nothing to lose by going more and more right wing. All they can do is gain by recovering votes that might otherwise have gone to Farage. Whereas Labour have to walk a tightrope between being too radical to appeal to floating voters and too centrist to appeal to lefties. Similar thing in the USA with near monopoly that Fox has on the "news" that half the country consumes, and the centrist/leftist split among the other half.the tories are also riven with infighting though. theyre not immune to it. thats why brexit happened. thats why Theresa May couldnt get anything done. that's why John Major fumed about 'bastards'
Yeah, it could be that these crises finally expose the hollowness of populist nationalism, at least for a big enough fraction of the people that some change of direction is possible. But as to what comes next, fuck knows. A return to liberal technocracy and 'politics without the politics' is surely untenable. Some genies have been released from bottles, for good and bad, and there's no putting them back.maybe, or maybe corona virus and huge popular protest are demonstrating the limits of that approach. let's wait and see what the fallout is.
the tories are also riven with infighting though. theyre not immune to it. thats why brexit happened. thats why Theresa May couldnt get anything done. that's why John Major fumed about 'bastards'
I've always disliked this line of thinkingdo you want to remain undyingly faithful to your core values, or do you want to win?