Jeremy Corbyn

thirdform

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I'm well aware Ukraine isn't an ideally progressive socialist utopia. But I think that's kind of irrelevant to the question of whether it has the right not to be invaded by fascists.

Seriously man, stop fucking putting words in my mouth.

Well they have been invaded haven't they. Whether corbyn thinks the invasion is a good or bad thing is irrelevant to dealing with it. He's utterly marginalised, from a party which isn't even in fucking power. why the hang up?

You even said he should have shut up. well he didn't. so just ignore it.

And it's got fuck all to do with Ukraine not being a progressive socialist utopia. It's to do with understanding the position of the working class, for better or worse. Evidently something the majority of British chauvinists (whether friends or enenies of Corbyn) are unable to do.
 

luka

Well-known member
tea should be tortured to death over a period of 7 weeks, incrementally, with each day more excruciating than the day previous
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
I think Kasab has become a victim of seeing everything through his political interests. I have a serious bone to pick with Corbyn's views of the world outside of UK, but it's completely and utterly absurd to say that Britain refused to vote Corbyn in because of his views on foreign policy re: Syria. After all the tories are allies with despotic arab monarchies in the middle east. The average British voter doesn't give a shit about that, and let me pre-empt tea by saying that if they do, that is always peripheral to their participation in what they perceive to be determining the needs of the country. It's absurd to separate the government from the people (the people are formed by the nation.)
I thought Kassab was a bit ott in that thread actually. But to me it goes to show what a polarising figure JC is. How he's fucking hated by people with investment in the Syrian revolution. Oz K is like this as well - he fucking detests him. And fair play to that, I can see why.

He would be dangerous in charge if he'd won the election, no doubt about it. I'd imagine his lack of support for arming Ukraine would split the party.
 

thirdform

Well-known member
there is made a business of moralising over Syrian revolution though. I won't say too much about Kassab or Oz K, but for them its become less about actually concretely analysing the situation in Syria but condemning European leftists, which doesn't centre Syrian voices, as much as they would like to claim. Because well, the actual situation in Syria is beyond bleak. A hypothetical British military intervension wouldn't be disastrous so much as hugely inefficient and a waste of resources.

It's no coincidence that the likes of Katerji tweet in English, because were they to pivot to a Turkish/Kurdish or Arab audience they wouldn't get nearly as much traction.

As for Corbyn splitting the party, respectfully, don't be daft, now you're being OTT. He is the most democratic of social democrats and makes Ted Heath look like a bloody Leninist. His politics have not evolved a shred since his student days, and he treats everyone (be them democrats or conservative nationalists) as people one can have a mannered British conversation with. It's a very public school mindset, actually. All talk no walk — I encountered plenty of those lamentable types at Royal Holloway. Lest we forget, it was Corbyn himself who placed Starmer in a position of power to take on the mantle if all went wrong. You've got a lot to learn about the English my man, a lot.

No, people hate Corbyn because he is a mirror image of the British political establishment. That is simply it.

EDIT: I'm aware corbyn personally didn't attend public school, but British politics is indelibly marked with the trappings of public school protocol. Even if you are educated in comprehensives or grammar schools you must not be like the average students from such institutions.
 
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thirdform

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also lol:

Polly Toynbee may well be correct in arguing that Keir Starmer’s caution will carry Labour to victory. The problem is that by then, Tory mismanagement will have sunk the UK to the bottom of the high-income country league table. The road back will be a long and arduous one.
Ted Schrecker
Professor of global health policy, Newcastle University


Although Toynbee is wrong, of course. Labours decline started long before Starmer. Long before Blair even.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
And it's got fuck all to do with Ukraine not being a progressive socialist utopia. It's to do with understanding the position of the working class, for better or worse. Evidently something the majority of British chauvinists (whether friends or enenies of Corbyn) are unable to do.
OK, fine, but what's the relevance of a class analysis of Ukraine's problems, aside from the fact that's it's your thing?
 

sufi

lala
sure, hes a public figure, but if we held all public figures to account for having opinions we disagree with, we might as well perform harakiri on ourselves.
do ya think that bjohnson will assume a position in a diametrically opposed distant orbit around the mainstream to what jeremy occupies, once he's out of no10?

pissing in

just crazy that anyone can connect jeremy with putinism and not bozza
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
What's the relevance of following Corbyn when he's been ousted from all corridors of power? Apart from it being your personal hobby horse, of course.
At the risk of sounding facetious, the Jeremy Corbyn thread seems like a reasonable place to talk about Jeremy Corbyn.

And sure, of course he has no direct power any more outside of Islington North, but he still has a huge following and his words carry a lot of weight for a lot of people. Calling him irrelevant is flatly untrue.
 

thirdform

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At the risk of sounding facetious, the Jeremy Corbyn thread seems like a reasonable place to talk about Jeremy Corbyn.

Please try harder because that was the most stone cold inept attempt I've seen at a witticism.

And sure, of course he has no direct power any more outside of Islington North, but he still has a huge following and his words carry a lot of weight for a lot of people. Calling him irrelevant is flatly untrue.

Words which are just fairly generic anti-war statements. We had this conversation upthread. Again, try harder.

A suggestion: perhaps one would like to meditate upon the psychological irrationalism within state-centric politics? Reich might be a good start, though he is incomplete...
 
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