Leo

Well-known member
trump? he'll be back. and even if he doesn't run again, he'll still meddle in GOP politics. a 75-year old narcissist will never change.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
It apparently dates back to civil war times, when confederates tried to pull a proto-MAGA and run for election after the war. we've become anesthetized to the kind of things he's on the record as saying. who knows if it will stand up in court, but they certainly sound insurrectionist. and it's what he was aiming for when he said it, even if it was just rhetoric. apparently he is the one who now has to prove that he wasn't being an insurrectionist.
This thing where he has to prove his innocence is what made me uneasy. I admire the sneakiness though of going after him cos that applies - and then, if it works, using his easily won case as an argument in the states where that rule does not apply.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
trump? he'll be back. and even if he doesn't run again, he'll still meddle in GOP politics. a 75-year old narcissist will never change.
He might die soon... he does have a lot of, I dunno, vigour maybe, which seems to sort of animate his failing body and mind to keep standing up in front of crowds of people and spouting insane bollocks for way longer than ought to be possible for a man in his state of health... but surely that can only do so much. It's like in Scarface when the coke and anger keeps him upright in the hail of bullets for a few extra seconds but ultimately it succumbs to the inevitable. Trump's almost unsurpassed and bloody-minded drive to keep on being the world's biggest arsehole is so powerful it actually earns my grudging animation but surely it is finite?
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
He might die soon... he does have a lot of, I dunno, vigour maybe, which seems to sort of animate his failing body and mind to keep standing up in front of crowds of people and spouting insane bollocks for way longer than ought to be possible for a man in his state of health...
Adrenochrome?
 

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
Jesus calling every mistake a mulligan. Trump argues back that “my mulligans are the very best, Jesus, I know it doesn’t sound nice but not everything is nice”

Jesus shrugs. Lighting up a joint, he flicks flowing locks back off his sunglasses, clicks his fingers and raises up a elevator from thin air to transport Trump south of heaven. “THIS is hair, cunt”
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
The Republican party has now officially stated that those invading the Capitol on the 6th were engaged in legitimate political actions and those - eg Cheney - who tried to prevent it were persecuting them

A resolution approved unanimously said Cheney and Kinzinger were engaged in the “persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse”.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
There is a point thought when you start to feel that if the Democrats don't do anything, then lose the midterms and get fucked, then you have to say that they kinda brought it on themselves by not moving harder and faster when they did have the whip hand. I mean, they can't say that they weren't warned can they....

Newt Gingrich, a former House speaker and candidate for the presidential nomination now advising Republican leaders, has said the party could seek to jail members of the January 6 committee.
 

Leo

Well-known member
one problem is voters don't seem to care about all of this stuff. or more precisely, the ones who do can are MAGA types. I don't know if people in general are blasé, too consumed with their own lives or just thick, but there's this malaise. it's crazy, read any of the recent ny times articles and you'd imagine the public would be outraged, but no.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
But this seems so clearly mad. To rewrite the law so that violence and so on is "legitimate" and then to threaten those who seek to investigate it. And this thing Gingrich said about trying to jail committee members... does that have any chance of happening? Either way, to make that kind of threat towards people for being part of an investigation you don't like is obviously morally terrible and quite frightening. From where we are sitting over here, it often feels that in America, for any given event there are two versions of events competing to become Reality and the one that wins is decided by who controls the relevant bodies or who wins a crucial court case relating to the situation - not the actual events that actually, you know, happened.

In other words, if the Repubs can get together enough seats and win the right votes then the violent mob battle we all saw on telly will ACTUALLY BECOME a legitimate and peaceful chat... and those vindictively seeking to punish these lawful protesters (who at that point will no doubt stop being disguised Antifa which is what they are now) will be the villains of the piece, potentially staring down the barrel of a jail sentence.

You would think that such a blatant attack on both reality and morality (not to mention The Constitution - anyone remember that old thing?) would be completely beyond the pale for anyone still on the ride who is truly a conservative. In fact anyone who is not totally fucking mental.
 

Leo

Well-known member
But this seems so clearly mad. To rewrite the law so that violence and so on is "legitimate" and then to threaten those who seek to investigate it. And this thing Gingrich said about trying to jail committee members... does that have any chance of happening? Either way, to make that kind of threat towards people for being part of an investigation you don't like is obviously morally terrible and quite frightening. From where we are sitting over here, it often feels that in America, for any given event there are two versions of events competing to become Reality and the one that wins is decided by who controls the relevant bodies or who wins a crucial court case relating to the situation - not the actual events that actually, you know, happened.

I think part of this is just trying to rally the base, fire people up for the midterms, pouncing while Biden is battling multiple crises. People like Gingrich have the perpetual need to remain in the public eye, saying this kind of things is his way of staying on Fox News and relevant in MAGA world. highly doubt he believes it or would have a hand it in, given the opportunity.

You would think that such a blatant attack on both reality and morality (not to mention The Constitution - anyone remember that old thing?) would be completely beyond the pale for anyone still on the ride who is truly a conservative. In fact anyone who is not totally fucking mental.

The problem is, this has been going on to varying degrees throughout the entire Trump presidency and in the year since, and it hasn't been considered beyond the pale for a lot of people so far.

The Pence pushback is interesting. He's too much of a politician to make such statements without political ends in mind, wonder if he's smelling the blood in the water.
 
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