who are you going to vote for and why?

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gabriel

The Heatwave
simon silverdollar said:
how is it naive?
a consensus can be, and has been, built on certain policies ( the minimum wage, the end of thatcherite/nozickian moral arguments against taxation to help the vulnerable-which is why tory arguments now focus on 'waste' in public services-, and overt racism against british ethnic minorities is now beyond the pale for mainstream parties, as is homophobia). why think that this consensus cannot be extended to become more progressive, however painfully slow this process might be?
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i don't think that it cannot be extended, just that it won't necessarily be. the naive bit would be trusting it to happen. i guess it does seem kind of inevitable though, however long it takes. which is good.
 
matt b

matt b

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oliver craner said:
I will gladly and proudly vote Labour because of, among other things, interventions and wars of liberation in Sierra Leone, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
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you missed out an important word- 'illegal'
 
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simon silverdollar

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xiquet said:
i don't think that it cannot be extended, just that it won't necessarily be. the naive bit would be trusting it to happen. i guess it does seem kind of inevitable though, however long it takes. which is good.
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i hope it is inevitable, but i guess it all depends on whether you see contemporary politics as moving generally leftwards or rightwards: and the recent pressures on scandinavian countries to move away from their social democratic consensus, as well as the proposed neo-liberal reforms of the EU, might be a scary indication of the latter trend.

but still, i think that, overall, things are going to get gradually better in the next ten years or so if labour gets in, if only because we've started from such a low-point: the ravages of thatcherism.
 
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don_quixote

Trent End
voted lib dem

theyre in a sort of winnable position (over a labour mp) here and whilst they have some pretty bizarre ideas if they got into government, i dont see that happening and they also oppose everything i dislike about a labour government.

would rather see a reduced labour majoirty going to lib dem hands than conservative hands
 
matt b

matt b

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oliver craner said:
Yes, Kosovo was illegal. What does that tell you about UN 'legality'?
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not just kosovo ;)

it tells you, that like all legal systems it has its flaws. therefore we should work on removing those flaws, not ignore the only system of global governance that exists. otherwise we are in schoolground bully type scenarios.
 
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