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[padraig (u.s.)]

u probably had a poster of Bob Marley on the wall of yr college dorm, or whatever weird word English ppl call college dorms

 

[luka]

Padraig likes hootie and the blowfish

 

[luka]

Padraig likes hoobastank

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

luka'a favorite rapper of all time is Zach de la Rocha

 

[Benny Bunter]

that's a big exaggeration wrapped around a kernel of truth. Please Kill Me has the bit where he mentions seeing The Doors play in front of a ton of U of M frat boys in Ann Arbor, and being into Morrison's semi-confrontational, or at least zero fucks given, stance toward the audience, while thinking the Doors themselves kind of sucked. Think u could definitely call Morrison an influence on Iggy, but definitely not a or the model.

also I'm sorry, but the Doors are fucking terrible, almost as bad as the Eagles. I mean, do you really want to defend stuff like L.A. Woman or Light My Fire or Love Me Two Times or etc? & Morrison has to be one of the worst lyricists ever. Endlessly puerile garbage masquerading as deep. So awful you can't even just ignore it like with many gtr bands.

Sorry but gotta nip this Doors revisionism in the bud.

I could never say I like them better than the stooges but if you don't like the doors you don't like fun imo. riders on the storm, crystal ship, people are strange, light my fire, break on through, the end, LA woman (that whole album actually) etc etc. they had loads of tunes

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

luka is a massive fan of both U2 as a band and Bono as an individual

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

if you don't like the doors you don't like fun imo

see luka this what quality trolling looks like

 

[luka]

see luka this what quality trolling looks like

He's making a valid point. The Doors had good material that everyone enjoys.

 

[Corpsey]

I like that Whiskey Bar tune and turns out

'The "Alabama Song"—also known as "Moon of Alabama", "Moon over Alabama", and "Whisky Bar"—is an English song written for Bertolt Brecht by his close collaborator Elisabeth Hauptmann in 1925 and set to music by Kurt Weill for the 1927 play Little Mahagonny. It was reused for the 1930 opera Rise and Fall of the City of Mahagonny and has been notably covered by The Doors and David Bowie.'

Never made the Morrison-Curtis connection before. Actually I can see the link between 'The End' and 'Atmosphere' for example.

This RS blurb points out Morrison's indebtedness to Frank Sinatra http://www.rollingstone.com/music/l...rs-of-all-time-19691231/jim-morrison-20101202

It's that crooning isn't it, which becomes almost a moaning in the case of JDivision.

 

[CrowleyHead]

The irony about 'crooners' is that its a slam. Crooner is about how a singer who couldn't figure out where the right notes were, so they'd slide themselves back into key by little tricks. The Bing Crosby scatting "A-ba-ba-ba-baa" trick is a good example. The irony is now we look at those as the classic conventional singers, and at the time they were considered faddish pop stars or w/e. This also plays into the weird Elvis 'ghostly' vibrato, which would've no doubt been a big influence on JM as much as crooners, Howling Wolf, i guess the Weil/Brecht world. So you got a lot of that mutually influencing Iggy as well as Mick Jagger, and those would get transmitted to Curtis along with Bowie and maybe mutual interest in guys he liked such as the Cabs or Gristle. Warsaw initially is a lot closer to the Buzzcocks in a certain respect, the vocal 'character' isn't quite there yet.

 

[Benny Bunter]

Good post about crooning. I should have said Ian curtis is like jim morrison via iggy but with all the blues leached out (maybe cos he was well into kraftwerk too?). Nick cave would probably be a more direct descendent in the jimbo croon-nuum come to think of it.

 

[craner]

Yes, but...

Dean Martin is the great example, couldn't sing for toffee, but everybody loved his singing, because it's all about charisma, expression, phrasing, presence.

Other great singers in this vein, but at a much higher level: Billie Holliday, Frank Sinatra, Rex Harrison.

 

[droid]

Scott must be the king of the modern day crooners.

 

[craner]

But he made the mistake of writing his own lyrics, which where hilarious. In a bad way.

 

[craner]

Scott Walker is his own punch line.

 

[Mr. Tea]

I like the idea of a 'croon-nuum'. Where does Bryan Ferry fit into this? (Cue responses of "I don't care as long as it's as far away from me as possible...")

 

[droid]

Is there a fascist-crooner correlation?

The Stooges pre-punk Nazi outrages. Bowie and (to a greater extent) Ferry's flirtations. Morrissey and the NF, Frank Sinatra, Pat Boone...

 

[Slothrop]

Dean Martin is the great example, couldn't sing for toffee, but everybody loved his singing, because it's all about charisma, expression, phrasing, presence.

[Obligatory parallel with (a certain approach to) MCing]

 

[Mr. Tea]

Frank Sinatra

What makes you say that? I thought he was generally pretty right-on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_life_of_Frank_Sinatra#Racial_activism

 

[droid]

He slid pretty far to the right after the 60's IIRC.