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  • The Buzzcocks

    Votes: 1 5.0%
  • The Fall

    Votes: 2 10.0%
  • Joy Division

    Votes: 4 20.0%
  • The Duratti Column

    Votes: 2 10.0%
  • John Cooper Clarke

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • A Certain Ratio

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • New Order

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • The Smiths

    Votes: 3 15.0%
  • The Stone Roses

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 808 State

    Votes: 1 5.0%
  • A Guy Called Gerald

    Votes: 4 20.0%
  • Happy Mondays

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Simply Red

    Votes: 1 5.0%
  • Take That

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Oasis

    Votes: 2 10.0%

  • Total voters
    20

firefinga

Well-known member
I like the idea of a 'croon-nuum'. Where does Bryan Ferry fit into this? (Cue responses of "I don't care as long as it's as far away from me as possible...")

Ferry was very un-croonerish. At least for me. Regarding his singing style and more importantly - I always had the impression the target audience of the crooners were mainly middle aged women. Not so much in Ferry's case.
 
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Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Auto-tune - Croon connection? (Re: what Crowley said about it being a way of covering for a shit singing voice)

I think Fetty Wap might be the first auto-crooner.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Ferry was very un-croonerish. At least for me. Regarding his singing style and more importantly - I always had the impression the target audience of the crooners were mainly middle aged women. Not so much in Ferry's case.

Nah, Ferry's a definitive crooner I reckon. You're right about the typical audience for crooners, but that's not what defines the style.
 

CrowleyHead

Well-known member
Nah, Ferry's a definitive crooner I reckon. You're right about the typical audience for crooners, but that's not what defines the style.

Ferry started different but I think as he got older he got more into trying to sing properly and being a proper crooner as opposed to his weirdness.

@Corpse; I'd argue its probably Kanye because Wayne's approach was more deliberately about hearing what happens when the effect of auto-tune corrected him, and T-Pain used it initially for guide until it became a textural effect. But I know Fetty probably isn't listening to Kanye, so I guess by default his big influence is Future.

Also to further fine-tune my point, its less "a shit singing voice" and more like, shit ability to sing. The instinct to know where the notes are in key, hit them right (not G sharp or g flat but G!), hit them clear (not too much vibrato or slur, no nasal tinge). Crooning was the idea that we wouldn't always like clear, clean and perfect singing and emphasize STYLE. So to put it in a certain indication of term, on a technical level Matt Monro would be a greater crooner as a Capital S Singer than Sinatra, but would we instinctually be able to make that distinction unless our ear is trained? What about charisma, little things that aren't 'good' but work for us, etc?
 
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droid

Well-known member
I guess it depends on your definition, but Bowie in his crooning mode, and Morrissey in general both had excellent control of diction, nuance, key etc... I guess the counter argument is that to emphasise style you need consummate control.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
I think Bowie's very underrated as a singer, probably because he uses that kind of crooning mode so often. He makes difficult songs seem easy (as anyone who's tried to sing them will know), and as you say, he also has superb stylistic control and knows how to add interest...which a lot of 'technically great' singers omit to pick up, probably because they're so good in the first place
 

craner

Beast of Burden
I was going to mention Billy Mackenzie, but then I remembered he was an avant garde operatic diva. David Sylvian as the totally de-sexualised pale white crooner?
 

craner

Beast of Burden
It's taking Ferry's postmodern croon to the nth degree by the time of 'Ghosts': affectation layered upon affectation. I like that, it makes Luke's skin crawl. But how different is it, basically, to the vocals in The Band?
 

droid

Well-known member
I think Bowie's very underrated as a singer, probably because he uses that kind of crooning mode so often. He makes difficult songs seem easy (as anyone who's tried to sing them will know), and as you say, he also has superb stylistic control and knows how to add interest...which a lot of 'technically great' singers omit to pick up, probably because they're so good in the first place

I think the croon was something sporadic for him that became more prominent in his later years as he lost some of his range, but yeah, quite underrated 'world on a wing' and 'sweet thing/candidate' are virtuoso performances.
 
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