freakyrixx
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That sample sure sounds familiar
Rap 2016
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CrowleyHead
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Shame the song's shit.
sadmanbarty
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I posted this a couple of months back on Corpsey's 'The British Are Coming Thread', it'll be interesting to see if 1) grime influenced american stuff becomes a thing and 2) if they will be able to go anywhere with it.
CrowleyHead
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Yeah, except its done consciously as a gesture to attract arty types. Even at its worst, I don't think backpack ever was like "Let's sample X because people will talk about how we sampled X."
CrowleyHead
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Its like the painters who have a dozen hired guns to do the actual 'labor' of painting for them. A couple people get to do that in rap to his success; Dre, Drake, Puffy, etc.
I like when Eski sounds accidently emerge. You know Freaky Girl by Gucci Mane has the same soundkits as "Eskimo"? Timpani sound, those weird taps... Obv. the accidental proximity of Wiley and Gucci on a song is a OMG moment for me.
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On the flipside, this kid made a lazy rap bangeur with an arty/styalized 'trap video', raps competently but hollowly, but over some grime noises which have AESTHETIC VALUE, its less attraction to the sounds for their own value. Great for those who know nothing about what he's doing, but has a sour milk desperation for me of someone who knows they need to stay on blogs.
CrowleyHead
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Yeah, loved that one when you pointed it out years ago.
Corpsey
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MikeWillMadeIt... into The New Yorker
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/11/how-mike-will-made-it
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/11/how-mike-will-made-it
Corpsey
bandz ahoy
New Schoolboy Q album. Not listened yet:
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freakyrixx
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Corpsey
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Martorialist has accused Reynolds of racism - thoughts?
I must admit I didn't see anything racist in the paragraph he quotes when I first read it, but I can sort of see what he's getting at. It's also a huge generalisation to say that rap is 'based on' being obnoxious, although bragging is obviously a huge element of it, and obnoxious values are in no short supply.
Actually, coincidentally this was one part of Reynolds review I didn't agree with, but because he said 'you wouldn't want to be them'. I think a lot of people would, at least temporarily, and if only as a fantasy. And I don't think that's unique to rap music, either, or even to music.
I would never have pegged Reynolds as a racist, that said. He champions a lot of 'black' music in his writing. Its obvious he's not as interested in rapping as in rap production but I think he's written interesting stuff about rappers in the past, if only as a springboard to discuss capitalism and neoliberalism, etc.
Of further interest is that I rememeber luka suggesting that the martorialist is a sort of a racist in the past.
I must admit I didn't see anything racist in the paragraph he quotes when I first read it, but I can sort of see what he's getting at. It's also a huge generalisation to say that rap is 'based on' being obnoxious, although bragging is obviously a huge element of it, and obnoxious values are in no short supply.
Actually, coincidentally this was one part of Reynolds review I didn't agree with, but because he said 'you wouldn't want to be them'. I think a lot of people would, at least temporarily, and if only as a fantasy. And I don't think that's unique to rap music, either, or even to music.
I would never have pegged Reynolds as a racist, that said. He champions a lot of 'black' music in his writing. Its obvious he's not as interested in rapping as in rap production but I think he's written interesting stuff about rappers in the past, if only as a springboard to discuss capitalism and neoliberalism, etc.
Of further interest is that I rememeber luka suggesting that the martorialist is a sort of a racist in the past.
rubberdingyrapids
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martorialist doesnt really argue his point enough. FWIW reynolds writes in energy flash about trip hop being hip hop for those who cant handle 'black rage'.
personally, i think hes such a rocker, even in spite of years of writing about rap and dance (he is still the lone 'can you explain this stuff to us please' person for those genres, for rock fans/critics of a certain age, as if hes the only one who can write about dance music - really its just that he writes about it in terms they understand, hes a classic example of yer old rocksplainer), that he cant ever let those old conceits, and yes, prejudices that come from rock, go really.
i remember one old blog entry, which seemed quite angry at the reinforcement of 'the status quo' in R&B and black pop. i think he mostly admires modern black music in that way a lot of progressive rock critics do, for being 'state of the art', and 'cutting edge', etc etc, so if its not that, its boring and worthless. hes a bit sniffy about anything that isnt about that. which i think is unfair. his like of most black music to me reads more academic and ideological than actual passion (like 'now isnt this progressive' rather than 'i love this').
that paragraph about TLOP is kind of similar, though TLOP is a sort of unique case, as the album is all about being an asshole, and exploring being an asshole, in an industry of similar assholes (one of the early lines from kanye is about an asshole, as if to make the point more obvious), in a time of great assholism (though its main flaw is that kanye just embodies this, rather than critique or ever challenge or display awareness of it). does he dismiss rock assholes quite so readily? (genuine question, idk the answer). in fairness, i get where hes coming from, even though its generalising a bit: modern rap isnt only about this, but it does heavily promote being an asshole. future, drake, kanye, all at the bleeding edge of assholism. its an art in itself. how to be a bigger one than the next man.
reynolds once gave a shout out to 'my nigga simon frith' on his blog. not sure if its still there. it prob is. he isnt one to renounce anything hes said.
and here it is.
Thursday, September 11, 2003
personally, i think hes such a rocker, even in spite of years of writing about rap and dance (he is still the lone 'can you explain this stuff to us please' person for those genres, for rock fans/critics of a certain age, as if hes the only one who can write about dance music - really its just that he writes about it in terms they understand, hes a classic example of yer old rocksplainer), that he cant ever let those old conceits, and yes, prejudices that come from rock, go really.
i remember one old blog entry, which seemed quite angry at the reinforcement of 'the status quo' in R&B and black pop. i think he mostly admires modern black music in that way a lot of progressive rock critics do, for being 'state of the art', and 'cutting edge', etc etc, so if its not that, its boring and worthless. hes a bit sniffy about anything that isnt about that. which i think is unfair. his like of most black music to me reads more academic and ideological than actual passion (like 'now isnt this progressive' rather than 'i love this').
that paragraph about TLOP is kind of similar, though TLOP is a sort of unique case, as the album is all about being an asshole, and exploring being an asshole, in an industry of similar assholes (one of the early lines from kanye is about an asshole, as if to make the point more obvious), in a time of great assholism (though its main flaw is that kanye just embodies this, rather than critique or ever challenge or display awareness of it). does he dismiss rock assholes quite so readily? (genuine question, idk the answer). in fairness, i get where hes coming from, even though its generalising a bit: modern rap isnt only about this, but it does heavily promote being an asshole. future, drake, kanye, all at the bleeding edge of assholism. its an art in itself. how to be a bigger one than the next man.
reynolds once gave a shout out to 'my nigga simon frith' on his blog. not sure if its still there. it prob is. he isnt one to renounce anything hes said.
and here it is.
Thursday, September 11, 2003
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Corpsey
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LoL @ 'the Dissensus truther' in the comments section.
I'll have to re read the TLOP review, cos I can't really remember most of it.
The funny thing re Reynolds attitude to 'progressivism' in rap music is that it seems generally to apply more to the beats than the rapping. As far as I recall, Reynolds was dismissive of yer Mos Defs, but perhaps that was cos the beats were all jazzy and trad
I'll have to re read the TLOP review, cos I can't really remember most of it.
The funny thing re Reynolds attitude to 'progressivism' in rap music is that it seems generally to apply more to the beats than the rapping. As far as I recall, Reynolds was dismissive of yer Mos Defs, but perhaps that was cos the beats were all jazzy and trad
CrowleyHead
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I mean he's said repeatedly that rap has been devoid of thematic characters, so that when Gucci Mane was heralded as new ground he didn't see it. Which is fine if you're judging rap in the pop sensibility that say, "Where's the new characters" a la Rock/Pop with guys like Bowie, Adam Ant, Michael Jackson, whomever the fuck. But it speaks to patience with artists to do it on their terms, and Simon's definitely shown that he doesn't even care enough to respond negatively to the lack of development beyond a "*headscratching* I'm supposed to care about this?" a la his desc. of the Popcaan album Mixpak put out.
But he does the same to rock, so I'm not TOOOOOO upset, its just proof that maybe the guy who once was so eager to talk about how like, Beastie Boys and Public Enemy hated 'faggots and bitches' because he was jerking off to the Stud Brothers being such 'bad boys'. The assertion of nihilism and gross-out masculinity as a rebellion against the earnestness and shimmery puritanicalism of content-crusading 80s acts....
Can you tell I'm a terrible fanboy of this dork as much as I'm out here bullying him? ;D I digress.
While playing tit-for-tat with Martorialist and Reynolds as to whose the bigger racist is a cute pastime, its pointless and I'm not interested in who's the less puritanical older white male. I feel it says a lot though that Reynolds is looked to as someone to make sense of TLOP when really he hasn't the experience beyond a very good assessment of 808s and Heartbreaks in contrast to Chinese Democracy way back when (again! The Rap against Rock war is an easy ideological conflict, and was done under the guise of discussing the sterility of music in the digital age, auto-tune, ego, etc.). I don't particularly want to hear Simon's comments on Kanye West because quite frankly he has no contextual validity to talking about it...
Anyway it says a lot that there's a bunch of new rap events/content always happening, and we (dissensus) think talking about SIMON is a point of interest. I'm just saying.
But he does the same to rock, so I'm not TOOOOOO upset, its just proof that maybe the guy who once was so eager to talk about how like, Beastie Boys and Public Enemy hated 'faggots and bitches' because he was jerking off to the Stud Brothers being such 'bad boys'. The assertion of nihilism and gross-out masculinity as a rebellion against the earnestness and shimmery puritanicalism of content-crusading 80s acts....
Can you tell I'm a terrible fanboy of this dork as much as I'm out here bullying him? ;D I digress.
While playing tit-for-tat with Martorialist and Reynolds as to whose the bigger racist is a cute pastime, its pointless and I'm not interested in who's the less puritanical older white male. I feel it says a lot though that Reynolds is looked to as someone to make sense of TLOP when really he hasn't the experience beyond a very good assessment of 808s and Heartbreaks in contrast to Chinese Democracy way back when (again! The Rap against Rock war is an easy ideological conflict, and was done under the guise of discussing the sterility of music in the digital age, auto-tune, ego, etc.). I don't particularly want to hear Simon's comments on Kanye West because quite frankly he has no contextual validity to talking about it...
Anyway it says a lot that there's a bunch of new rap events/content always happening, and we (dissensus) think talking about SIMON is a point of interest. I'm just saying.