UK EU Referendum Aftermath

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Despite leave voters’ conviction that Brexit should be delivered at all costs, over half of people throughout all three countries thought that the nation would become substantially poorer as a result of Brexit.

However, a huge number of those who voted leave in the EU referendum believed that economic losses would be worth it – 76% in England and Scotland and 81% in Wales.

Similarly, voters overwhelmingly felt that the potential destruction of the country’s farming and fishing industries would be a price worth paying for getting the result they wanted in the Brexit negotiations.
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Darned cockwombles.
good that someone did that research though - probably the most straightforward thing i've seen written about brexit for ages. Winning is worth a lot of violence, economic pain and the destruction of key industries.
 
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This should not come as a surprise, because from its earliest days the overriding principle behind the European project has been to make life easier for capital, which is why multinational corporations like it so much. While the pro-employer bias has been there since the Treaty of Rome in 1957 it has become more pronounced in recent years as the slowdown in growth, entrenched high unemployment and the crisis in the eurozone have prompted calls for European labour markets to become more “flexible”.

https://amp.theguardian.com/comment...qzkKaTO3KrtV2eO2AG6POgXSGOXHNBsGocTHpnt38LyVE

Via David Icke dot com
 
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luka said:
This should not come as a surprise, because from its earliest days the overriding principle behind the European project has been to make life easier for capital, which is why multinational corporations like it so much. While the pro-employer bias has been there since the Treaty of Rome in 1957 it has become more pronounced in recent years as the slowdown in growth, entrenched high unemployment and the crisis in the eurozone have prompted calls for European labour markets to become more “flexible”.

https://amp.theguardian.com/comment...qzkKaTO3KrtV2eO2AG6POgXSGOXHNBsGocTHpnt38LyVE

Via David Icke dot com
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Isn't the thing with workers rights that as bad as the EU are, they still aren't as bad as the Tories could be? The current home secretary is someone who thinks we should take influence from South Korea, a country which had people working 68-hour weeks.
 
luka

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The point the article makes is not as bad as the tories, not half as good as labour should be.
 
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I was messing around when I said money isn't everything but also pointing up one of the strange effects of brexit, that people nominally on the left are adopting arguments which not long ago were the exclusive domain of the right. This sense of the economic bottom line trumping everything.
 
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Some of that I think is partly an attempt to use the right's own talking points against them. They go on about the economy all the time and now it suddenly doesn't matter. I also think some people just see it as taking a financial hit for no gain, like if you're on the left and the choice is staying in the EU with all their problems or giving the Tories free rein to push even further in the wrong direction then the EU seems like the lesser of two evils.
 
luka

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Yeah I agree and that's the way I saw it that the eu were a buffer against the tories worst instincts. But there are other points of view.
 
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I don't see how you can look at the way the media operate in this country and think anyone to the left of Blair will ever win again.
 
Mr. Tea

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luka said:
I was messing around when I said money isn't everything but also pointing up one of the strange effects of brexit, that people nominally on the left are adopting arguments which not long ago were the exclusive domain of the right. This sense of the economic bottom line trumping everything.
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And the man who is now prime minister, leading the most right-wing Tory government in living memory, was heard yelling "Fuck business!".

We live in strange times.
 
Mr. Tea

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I don't see how you can look at the way the media operate in this country and think anyone to the left of Blair will ever win again.
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I'm not convinced of that at all. Most of Corbyn's policies are actually pretty popular among the general public.
 
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