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luka

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Like anything zealots can take it too far but you two are being hysterical. There's a wealth of evidence of all kinds pointing to systemic racism throughout all branches of society. You can't just pretend it's not there because you don't like rap music.
 

luka

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That doesn't mean your life can't be shit if you're white, or that white people (or men) don't deserve to have their suffering acknowledged and ameliorated. White suffering and male suffering is not worth less than any other variety of suffering which is the point at which my views converge with teas.
 

firefinga

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You can't just pretend it's not there because you don't like rap music.
I actullay like rap music, or to be precise, used to. I got several CDs from the likes of Jungle Brothers, De La Soul, Run DMC, and even ONE gangster rapper, namely Ice T. I think he's the only worthwile Gangsta rapper bc he has some sense of irony and isn't afraid to mock himself every now and then.
 

luka

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I don't think forming exclusivy white groups or exclusively male groups is the rational response to the suffering of people who are either/both white and male.
 

you

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Male privilege is a universal thing in all societies across the world however. Yes, of course gender intersects with economic class, race and so on, and it becomes incredibly complex to pick apart and see the nuances (which is what feminist studies of intersectionality do). But there is no society where women overall are not subordinate to men in terms of political power as a sex class, which affects every part of our culture and lives , public and private. As far as I know, pretty much every society in the world is patriarchal. The world is run by men.
Not quite true. There are and have been matriarchal societies. Engels' 'The Origin of Private Property, Family and the State' is a great take on how matriarchal relations were usurped and erased by law and private property..
 

Mr. Tea

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There's a wealth of evidence of all kinds pointing to systemic racism throughout all branches of society.
Yeah, I'm struggling to see a single way in which black people can be considered 'privileged', globally speaking - overrepresentation in certain sports, maybe? Even then, it's hardly something that makes everyday life easier for most people.

It's not at all comparable to gender, where in some countries there are certain advantages associated with being male and others associated with being female.
 
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droid

Beast of Burden
Year 501. The long history of European atrocity and domination is incontrovertible, varied and ongoing.
 

Benny B

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Not quite true. There are and have been matriarchal societies. Engels' 'The Origin of Private Property, Family and the State' is a great take on how matriarchal relations were usurped and erased by law and private property..
I've not read the Engels so I don't really know what he says about matriarchy, but I have read a discussion of him in Kate Millett's 'Sexual politics' where his work was praised up to a point, but obviously theres been a lot of feminist theory since then that has modified some of his ideas. Not sure how well he's dated, but he seemed to have done some good analysis of the traditional patriarchal family. One to put on my reading list probably.

Thing is though, how are we defining a 'matriarchy'? Would that involve men being the subordinate sex class to women, or are we talking about some sort of gender-egalitarian society, or what?

The other thing is, when it comes to theories about possible matriarchies in pre-history its quite easy to fall into speculation, though there are some compelling arguments. It was so long ago the questions are really unanswerable.
 

Mr. Tea

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Thing is though, how are we defining a 'matriarchy'?
Could just as well turn that around and ask how you're defining 'patriarchy'. You said every society on earth is patriarchal. Now if Yemen is patriarchal, but Iceland is also patriarchal, then I have to wonder what a non-patriarchal society would look like, in your view.

Would that involve men being the subordinate sex class to women...?
Traditionally understood, yes, that's the literal definition of the word.

Interestingly there have been many societies in which wealth and status was inherited mainly or exclusively through the line of female descent, to the extent that it may have been the norm in ancient times. Although in most cases power was nonetheless mainly wielded by the male aristocracy.
 

sadmanbarty

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Could just as well turn that around and ask how you're defining 'patriarchy'. You said every society on earth is patriarchal. Now if Yemen is patriarchal, but Iceland is also patriarchal, then I have to wonder what a non-patriarchal society would look like, in your view.
They're both patriarchal, just one astoundingly more so than the other.
 

Benny B

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That doesn't mean your life can't be shit if you're white, or that white people (or men) don't deserve to have their suffering acknowledged and ameliorated. White suffering and male suffering is not worth less than any other variety of suffering which is the point at which my views converge with teas.
Dont believe i ever said any of this.
 
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