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Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
What barty said basically
My question was "what would a non-patriarchal society look like", and neither you nor SMB have answered it yet.

There are several countries where most politicians are female, and many more where the split is very close to 50:50. There are countries where the gender income gap is 5% and will conceivably disappear altogether in the near future. In plenty of countries, such as ours, women are well ahead of men in terms of academic achievement and a host of important health and social inclusion indicators. So I ask again, if this is still patriarchy, what still remains to be done that would satisfy you that it's finally been eradicated?

I'm not being rhetorical here. I'm interested to know your thinking.
 

Benny B

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Well putting a stop to all the raping and killing would be a good thing to aim for for one.

Almost 1000 women murdered by men since 2010 in england and wales, according the femicide census done last year.

We've got a long way to go before we have anything like gender equality when mvawg is still such a scourge
 

sadmanbarty

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My question was "what would a non-patriarchal society look like", and neither you nor SMB have answered it yet.
Well first off, I know fuck all about feminism really. That being said I'd agree that wage parity, equal representation in government and business are all indicators of equality. Also things like parity in the household and childcare duties.

To the extent that things like domestic violence and rape are informed by patriarchy as opposed to other factors (I have no idea), a reduction in these types of crimes could indicate increased equality.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Almost 1000 women murdered by men since 2010 in england and wales, according the femicide census done last year.
And yet your chances of being murdered are still several times higher as a man than as a women, are they not?

Yes, of course I'm well aware that men are doing most of the murdering, too. But that hardly constitutes some sort of advantage to men. In fact it's a good illustration of how the majority of men are not well served by 'traditional values'.
 

Benny B

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So men do most of the murdering, practically all the raping.

Women don't tend to do these things quite so much and you have to ask why really.

Its a patriarchal arrangement. The fact that men kill each other doesnt change the gender hierarchy.
 

luka

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Staff member
i'm not sure murder is a traditional value or a phenomena we can easily generalise about.
 

Benny B

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And no I'm not dismissing the negative effects of gender on men, far from it. But one of those negative effects seems to be they are much more likely to rape and kill than women
 

luka

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Staff member
Vimothy are are you wanting to say the reason men kill women and not vice versa is a) a imbalance in physical power b) imbalance in biological murderous rage chemicals?
 

luka

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Staff member
i keep sensing an essentialist tenor to your asides. not that i would necessarily disagree with you. just wanting to taunt you into commiting yourself to a position.
 

vimothy

yurp
But we were discussing the patriarchy. As a concept, it strikes me as rather pedestrian if it's merely a state in which more women are murdered by men than vice versa. To my mind, patriarchy suggests a society in which male values predominate.
 

Benny B

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But we were discussing the patriarchy. As a concept, it strikes me as rather pedestrian if it's merely a state in which more women are murdered by men than vice versa. To my mind, patriarchy suggests a society in which male values predominate.
I never said 'merely' though did i?
 
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