K-Punk

[linebaugh]

Linebaugh was the first name I randomly flipped to in a Chomsky book, so whoever he is theres a good chance he does look and act like the Biker Mice villain

 

[luka]

It's a cheese. And that picture's the villain from Biker Mice from Mars, an alien called Limburger.

Good morning version, good to see you.

 

[version]

I've been up for hours. I just didn't turn on my computer.

 

[version]

I read most of the book this morning and found it incredibly depressing. The stuff he's saying about education and the entertainment-industrial complex is more or less my experience of school. The guy with headphones on but no music - music but no headphones was me and a lot of other people I knew at one time or another. The eating in class etc, knowing the teacher couldn't really do anything. It's all true.

 

[version]

The point about the act of reading being boring, not what was being read is spot on. I could barely concentrate for more than a couple of lines when we read anything in school. It just didn't provide enough stimulation. It felt like being put in a straitjacket.

 

[linebaugh]

School pretty much made me hate almost everything I spend most of my free time doing. I could be a real big brain right now if it didnt take me years getting over that school ingrained adversity to reading

 

[luka]

Corpsey and Barty were asking me if I could read for over 20 minutes at a stretch. They couldn't conceive of it

 

[constant escape]

That is something difficult to reckon with, given that most serious discourse expresses itself in long and often dense text.

I mean, post-structuralism in a ten second video? It demands either that the discourse be compressed and rendered accessible beyond our current standards, or else a radically new expression be established.

Granted, I'm pretty alienated from much of the prevailing media.

 

[linebaugh]

CR was depressing but I found there was something uplifting in how clearly he diagnosed the problem. Demystified the problem I guess.

 

[linebaugh]

Corpsey and Barty were asking me if I could read for over 20 minutes at a stretch. They couldn't conceive of it

unbroken, eyes on the page focus for 20 minutes? Or just a general reading session that lasts longer than 20 minutes. The former does seem inconceivable to me.

 

[constant escape]

School pretty much made me hate almost everything I know spend most of my free time doing. I could be a real big brain right now if it didnt take me years getting over that school ingrained adversity to reading

Its a miracle I ever picked up a book after crawling out the classroom. As has been said in this thread, the interest is seemingly veering away from genuine edification. In fact, the system (Big Other is an interesting way to put it - I'm really not familiar with Lacan, if that is Lacan) could probably benefit more from a masses that is disinterested in research, no?

 

[version]

Corpsey and Barty were asking me if I could read for over 20 minutes at a stretch. They couldn't conceive of it

I can only do it when my computer's off. If I lie in bed reading, I can read for hours. If I read at the computer, I can barely manage a page before turning back to the internet.

 

[luka]

I can do both because I'm 40 and I was born in the steam era. But it depends on the kind of thing you're reading doesn't it.

 

[version]

"Some students want Nietzsche in the same way that they want a hamburger; they fail to grasp - and the logic of the consumer system encourages this misapprehension - that the indigestibility, the difficulty is Nietzsche."

 

[linebaugh]

Its a miracle I ever picked up a book after crawling out the classroom. As has been said in this thread, the interest is seemingly veering away from genuine edification. In fact, the system (Big Other is an interesting way to put it - I'm really not familiar with Lacan, if that is Lacan) could probably benefit more from a masses that is disinterested in research, no?

Education is slippery. I just read Mumbo Jumbo and theres a conspiratorial plot in there that says the civil rights movement was intentionally sabotaged by an evangelical christian group that let black people into universities to get caught up in leftist in-fighting. Fiction, but satire.

There's an emerging research culture too, conspiracy stuff is becoming mainstream, at least among my greater social sphere. Look into the wayfair stuff. The content creators pushing it are doing quite a bit of thorough 'research.' If your counter-cultural, but not handsome, erudite scholars like us in here I imagine its pretty convincing.

Its hard to say whether a public completely uninterested in research would be easier to control as they might be more in tune with how miserable they are and not tripping over themselves in intellectual gymnastics.

 

[version]

"Some students want Nietzsche in the same way that they want a hamburger; they fail to grasp - and the logic of the consumer system encourages this misapprehension - that the indigestibility, the difficulty is Nietzsche."

Apparently this is a big problem in universities and private institutions re: exam results, degrees etc. People feel they've done their bit in paying for it and it's now on the institution to just hand them top marks.

 

[linebaugh]

I didn't go to a competitive school so I didn't see much of that. Most students seemed completely ambivalent to uni. Acted like it was just another faceless institution there is no interacting with. That left professors completely for any sort of genuine interest, going to office hours or even just asking a question that showed you were listening instantly got you in there good graces. I had multiple professors give me top marks on the exam just because they liked me and I made small efforts to show I was interested.

 

[version]

leftist in-fighting.

I read a negative review of Capitalist Realism which just said too many of the examples and figures cited were men and Ursula Le Guin was too obvious a woman to cite, so the book wasn't for them...

 

[constant escape]

Education is slippery. I just read Mumbo Jumbo and theres a conspiratorial plot in there that says the civil rights movement was intentionally sabotaged by an evangelical christian group that let black people into universities to get caught up in leftist in-fighting. Fiction, but satire.

There's an emerging research culture too, conspiracy stuff is becoming mainstream, at least among my greater social sphere. Look into the wayfair stuff. The content creators pushing it are doing quite a bit of thorough 'research.' If your counter-cultural, but not handsome, erudite scholars like us in here I imagine its pretty convincing.

Its hard to say whether a public completely uninterested in research would be easier to control as they might be more in tune with how miserable they are and not tripping over themselves in intellectual gymnastics.

Yeah, I've only begun considering "intellectual gymnastics" as a distractive control tactic. Suck the more promising minds into discourse that only seems more and more alien as it gets elaborated? Even as I say this, I believe in all the jargon I fling around here. Do you think there are a lot of scholars/academics who traffic through all this stuff without believing in it? Or ,at least, without making an effort to render it more accessible?

 

[luka]

I read a negative review of Capitalist Realism which just said too many of the examples and figures cited were men and Ursula Le Guin was too obvious a woman to cite, so the book wasn't for them...

A lot of that left wing stuff is pure naked shameless grift