padraig (u.s.)

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You don't agree that a dichotomy of authentic/inauthentic has been distorted and abused with seemingly increasing intensity over the last couple of decades?
I think that "authenticity" has always been a blurry thing

I think it's always been difficult to have meaningful conversations about authenticity
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
The Matrix philosophy is bong rip "this shit is going to blow your mind" Galaxy Brain, minus the bong rip

probably why the first one - where they treat the ridiculousness with the tongue in cheek sincerity (there's a word) it deserves - is pretty good

and the last two - which make everything literal and then take it all dead seriously - are such tedious garbage

though the Zion psytrance rave doesn't help
 

version

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I once read something on Pynchon's first three - V., The Crying of Lot 49 and Gravity's Rainbow - and modernism vs. postmodernism which used The Truman Show as an analogy, but which The Matrix works just as well for. The general idea was that it's gone from "Is there a Matrix?" to "There is a Matrix, but are we inside or outside of it?".
 

version

Who loves ya, baby?
The Matrix philosophy is bong rip "this shit is going to blow your mind" Galaxy Brain, minus the bong rip

probably why the first one - where they treat the ridiculousness with the tongue in cheek sincerity (there's a word) it deserves - is pretty good

and the last two - which make everything literal and then take it all dead seriously - are such tedious garbage

though the Zion psytrance rave doesn't help
Yeah. You don't really need to watch the others. The first one ends at a decent spot anyway.
 

luka

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No one goes out onto the streets and into the jaws of the state violence on a whim

i have done plenty of times. seemed like a good laugh although into the jaws of state violence is overdoing it a bit isnt it
 

entertainment

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ive had a few stabs at that. the riff raff thread. the method acting supplants irony thread. the pastiche thread. the beyond soul thread. needs more work though. thats a big project we can take on shiels. we'll nail it down if you like.
This is what I was getting at when I said that posting on Twitter is an inherently aesthetic performance.

You have to look at the popular modes of appeal. 'Read the room', 'Boomer', 'Racism is little dick energy'

It's not about being wrong, so much as it is about being lame. Internet culture has already accepted the fact that that ethos is all there is, that it is all a performance, even if they aren't cognizant of it. Nuance is gone. Logos can't be trusted. Nobody knows who is authentic or earnest, the notions become meaningless.

The aesthetic rules of the room are constantly being worked out cybernetically.
 

luka

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You don't agree that a dichotomy of authentic/inauthentic has been distorted and abused with seemingly increasing intensity over the last couple of decades? this idea that there's something behind the curtain, some pure essence, of self or of some substance, in everything from bread to trump? It's been abused and distorted so much that It can feel like we're moving beyond being able to use those words to have meaningful conversations
i understand you shiels dont worry!
 

luka

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This is what I was getting at when I said that posting on Twitter is an inherently aesthetic performance.

You have to look at the popular modes of appeal. 'Read the room', 'Boomer', 'Racism is little dick energy'

It's not about being wrong, so much as it is about being lame. Internet culture has already accepted the fact that that ethos is all there is, that it is all a performance, even if they aren't cognizant of it. Nuance is gone. Logos can't be trusted. Nobody knows who is authentic or earnest, the notions become meaningless.

The aesthetic rules of the room are constantly being worked out cybernetically.
and not necessarily a bad thing.
 

luka

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that the aesthetic is just as good a measuring stick as any other, maybe better. i object to 'Read the room', 'Boomer', 'Racism is little dick energy' primarily on aesthetic grounds.
 

luka

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i recoil from those things because they are ugly. they offend my delicate sensibilities.
 

entertainment

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that's just because you hate those basement dwelling right wingers whose pimples pop with excitement everytime FACTS and LOGIC are employed
 

entertainment

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No, but if we're not even pretending that you need to have the argument on your side, as long as you have the people on your side, surely that leads to bad shit?
 

luka

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i think the problem is that peoples aesthetic barometers are nowhere near sensitive enough.
 

luka

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when shiels says we have progressed several levels beyond the irony/sincerity opposition he's talking about artistic strategy really. where the artist of today, and as you point out, that's all of us now, begins.
 
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