The Matrix vs Ghostbusters

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There's a bit about page 10 when @padraig (u.s.) starts "explaining" things and while it always used to immensely wind me up when he was doing this, I do actually weirdly miss him at the moment and hope he's alright.
 
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Re the matrix, can we have just one film which is very seriously saying that humans are the problem not machines?
 
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He had this routine of doing things, and I can see it clearer now, with some distance, and it's sort of quite reassuring and nice. You know what's happening. It's a warm bath.
 
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Yeah he wound me up as well, got into the same sort of argument with nearly everyone, apart from droid and Eden who he seemed to hero worship.
 
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It's like a script.

I suppose we all are on here, we have our familiar riffs and routines.

But something about rereading his today just made me smile.
 
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I could only listen to about half but let's see what the lyrics say

[Verse]
President Joe once had a dream
The world held his hand, gave their pledge
So he told them his scheme for a Saviour Machine
They called it the Prayer, its answer was law
Its logic stopped war, gave them food
How they adored till it cried in its boredom
"Please don't believe in me
Please disagree with me
Life is too easy
A plague seems quite feasible now
Or maybe a war
Or I may kill you all"

[Chorus]
Don't let me stay, don't let me stay
My logic says burn so send me away
Your minds are too green, I despise all I've seen
You can't stake your lives on a Saviour Machine

[Bridge]
I need you flying, and I'll show that dying
Is living beyond reason, sacred dimension of time
I perceive every sign, I can steal every mind

[Chorus]
Don't let me stay, don't let me stay
My logic says burn so send me away
Your minds are too green, I despise all I've seen
You can't stake your lives on a Saviour Machine
 
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The chorus is almost a soliloquy from the machine, venting its anger at the naivety of humanity, “green minds” being a metaphor for this. The line “you can’t stake your lives on a saviour machine” succinctly sums up the didactic element of the song, saying that the solving of problems is the point of living, and without solving our own problems we’re pointless – basically sheep.
 
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catalog said:
Genius Annotation 2 contributors
The chorus is almost a soliloquy from the machine, venting its anger at the naivety of humanity, “green minds” being a metaphor for this. The line “you can’t stake your lives on a saviour machine” succinctly sums up the didactic element of the song, saying that the solving of problems is the point of living, and without solving our own problems we’re pointless – basically sheep.
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But it's the machine that tells them that...
 
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I want a film where the machine is benevolent. ET or some shit, but it's a computer. I suppose there's something like short circuit but the humour element means it can't really be taken seriously. It's just ET but a robot. Similarly robocop doesn't quite fit the bill.

To me this Bowie tune is ambiguous. Or perhaps just unclear? Is it really that deep?
 
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The Bowie song is more like a hobbesian leviathan. It could work without it being a machine. And thd machine thinks as a human in it?
 
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