Artificial intelligence officially gets scary

Clinamenic

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Yeah I think much of this will be a sort of hybrid consciousness, wherein algorithms may actually depend on natural consciousness, in some way, in order to function as an artificial consciousness.
 

vimothy

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Don’t know/understand what logistic regression is, or any advanced statistics yet, but I’d agree that my understanding the cutting edge machine learning algorithms come nowhere close to conscious.

There was a good definition that a neuroscientist gave of consciousness, which I will have to paraphrase until I can locate it. Something like this:

A thing is said to be conscious is there is something that it is like to be that thing, a certain likeness of being that thing.
in general the contemporary approach to AI is can it simulate a real intelligence in some way, for example can it accurately categorise pictures
 

Clinamenic

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This is one way the “thought decoding” fMRI scanning can plug into an algorithm as a sort of prosthetic consciousness from the perspective of the machine, a natural appendage to the artificial.
 

Clinamenic

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in general the contemporary approach to AI is can it simulate a real intelligence in some way, for example can it accurately categorise pictures
So yeah in this case I think certain strictly defined problems have solutions that don’t require anything close to consciousness, but it may all concatenate eventually into something larger, a network effect.
 

Clinamenic

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And I think for many of this strictly definable problems, AI will continue to prove superior to natural intelligence.
 

vimothy

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given enough data one could imagine a simple lookup function which appeared to be completely coherent in every situation but which nevertheless was totally stupid
 

Clinamenic

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Yeah ultimately I think I agree with you in that the “hard problem of consciousness” is still intractable as far as our AI cutting edge is concerned.

I think we need a few breakthroughs in neuroscience before we can even see artificial consciousness on the horizon.
 

Clinamenic

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I think technology exists on something like a different track entirely to consciousness
Yeah I see what you mean, and I think trying to force algorithms to behave like how we think we behave may prove to be a misguided effort
 

Clinamenic

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I think this is largely a paranoiac fantasy.
Which isn’t to say nobody out there wants to dictate our thoughts and opinions, I just think that such an endeavor is beyond even the scope of the likes Amazon, or the likes of whatever Rothschild descendent has a stake in every industry. Uber complex systems.
 

vimothy

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no I agree with that, but I also think that the the search for AI has had the paradoxical effect of limiting human consciousness
 

Clinamenic

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Limiting in what way? Like we start setting too narrow a definition of intelligence and/or consciousness, and by extension limit how well we can understand ourselves?
 

Clinamenic

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Which isn’t to say nobody out there wants to dictate our thoughts and opinions, I just think that such an endeavor is beyond even the scope of the likes Amazon, or the likes of whatever Rothschild descendent has a stake in every industry. Uber complex systems.
That said, we do see how easy to manipulate most people can be, once they settle into their media echo chambers.
 

vimothy

yurp
more in the sense that we are offloading certain functions onto "AI", so that they are no longer the result of conscious choice
 
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