Industrial-Creep-Camp-Wrong-Un-Musick

john eden

male pale and stale
Phew! :)

Seconded on the Neubauten, they were great, very innovative. I like Drawings of Patient O.T. - all power tools, found objects being bashed together, skronky post-punk guitar/bass and Blixa B chanting and whispering like he hasn't slept in a few days. Though I dunno if they have any particular connection to the UK weirdo scene beyond the 'industrial' label.

Any love for Cabaret Voltaire's slightly later, dancier, (*gulp*) more commercial stuff? 'Sensoria', 'I Want You', 'James Brown' etc. Slick and pleasingly cynical-sounding.

Neubauten were signed to Some Bizzare and did a collab with Fad Gadget... who accompanied them with G-PO at their infamous ICA gig where they tried to piledrive a hole in the stage.

That mid 80s Cabs stuff was great too (and also on Some Bizzare).

This was a big compilation for me: https://www.discogs.com/Various-If-You-Cant-Please-Yourself-You-Cant-Please-Your-Soul/master/21529
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Neubauten were signed to Some Bizzare and did a collab with Fad Gadget... who accompanied them with G-PO at their infamous ICA gig where they tried to piledrive a hole in the stage.

Ah, I'd forgotten about Collapsing New People, which is stupid because I will take any opportunity to play that tune at a party. Didn't know GPO was with them at the ICA gig, that is cool.

Wasn't there some sort of re-enactment of the ICA performance about a decade ago? Which strikes me as a bit pointless, I dunno.
 

luka

Well-known member
I guess I'll be the one to fly the flag for The Ape of Naples

my mate jim loves coil and i saw him spunk about £50 on this at a record shop in cardiff. youre not alone.
 

luka

Well-known member
i might be exagerrating. it was expensive enough that he felt guilty about it.
 

martin

----
I consider all of them except Chris Carter loathsome people (he mostly escapes my judgement because he's too much of a nerd. You get the feeling if he hadn't fallen in with them he'd be like a Special Effects Guru for movies who people regarded as 'odd but decent'. Truly built to live in a basement.).

Funnily enough, I've heard from certain people 'in the know' that he's more than capable of matching GPO when it comes to temper tantrums and unethical behaviour.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Funny, as he was always the most ostensibly 'normal' one of the group - certainly the most conventionally musical - and tends to look a bit like a teacher.
 

blissblogger

Well-known member
always bit underwhelmed by Coil - w/o the heavy bolstering of all the ideas and references, as a purely sonic experience, does it really cut it?

this one though has a gorgeous shudder of sound as it's main melody-riff

 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
This is one is cool (and has a *great* fan-made video):


I have a memory of mistersloane telling me he was a member of Coil for a day.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
I really like the first two Coil albums - and the "How to destroy angels" 12". I think they were amazingly innovative for the time, they always make me think of Heaven - the club on Charing X Road, not the place in the sky. It seems like the iconic sleazy 80s space that they would've inhabited.
 

forclosure

Well-known member
As far as Coil goes i like Ape of Naples, Music to play in the dark and their first 3 albums, Coil at their best always felt like being engulfed in quicksand for me


Nurse With Wound have always struck me as the group of that bunch that id like the most but i havent listen to much of although i did open for Sunn O))) once down Camden and i have to agree with Luka as far as vocals go cause i remember they had some weird Marc Almond lookin guy doing vocals and it kinda fucked with the vibe they were going for,that said Soliloquy for Lilith,A Sucked Lemon & Thunder Perfect Mind i all really like.

Never really messed with Current 93s earlier stuff but i am upfront in that in the wrong mindset their music can be the goofiest shit on Earth.

Im one of those weirdos who quite likes Foetus even that major label album he did that had "Mortgage" "Mighty Whitey" and that one song that sounded like a score out of a old Gladiator movie, i saw him do a gig once down the Cafe Oto some electro accoustic thing inspired by the hurricane that passed through New York wasnt bad and shook my mans Thirlwells hand afterwards seemed like a nice man.


is Englands Hidden Reverse really worth reading though? i ask because ive known about it and thought about reading it for ages but its always been slightly out of my reach for some reason.

also anybody here ever tried to listen to Legendary Pink Dots?
 

luka

Well-known member
as i said on a different thread the book made me feel so grubby and contaminated i had to put it down but great if you want to know more about this lot and theyre personal histories.
 

luka

Well-known member
keenan and simon reynolds have a personal rivalry and are always exchanging half-concealed barbs in print which i find very entertaining, having a taste for that sort of thing.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
On the Strange Attractor website the description of the book includes mention of "a house in Muswell Hill where David Tibet of Current 93 receives a vision of Noddy crucified in the sky", which just took me straight back to http://www.blrrrecords.com/

cov_god.jpg
cov_meat.jpg
cov_wolf.jpg
(etc.)
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
great, my favorite kind of dissensus thread, people with deep knowledge holding forth on a subject!

thanks to martin, john, + others for the recs. industrial is one of those things where I know considerably more about it than I've actually listened to. impenetrably vast, spotty discographies are a big factor - who has time to sift through it all? also just never been interested into whole swathes of it - the shock rock power electronics side, neofolk etc, the whole Ministry/Skinny Puppy etc thing. I'm sure all those have at least a few hidden gems but I don't care enough to sift for them.

curious for expert thoughts on 2 things. first, anything beyond the usual TG/CV/NWW, Einsturzende, SPK, etc canon. the U.S. - Factrix, Monte Cazazza? lesser-known or slightly later British things - Zoviet France, Bourbonese Qualk, The New Blockaders, etc? anything from continental Europe besides Neubauten? Laibach? I would say Japanese noise too but seems like its whole own universe. again, just trying to cherrypick the best stuff.

2nd - any recs on the dancier side. intentionally dancy or not. I know obv stuff like Hot On the Heels + Nag Nag Nag, as well as Sensoria + the like. doesn't have to be strictly industrial - anything in Suicide Commando, Collapsing New People, Dead Eyes Opened, kinda territory. I have a decent grasp on EBM, and minimal synth (as much as a non-specialist can), more interested in any kinda leftfield dance records I guess.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
in general I get the vibe that a lotta the power of industrial was in the moment and it's mostly loss outside of that context

otoh there's definitely bleedover into the 70s avant-garde, most obv w/NWW but also Germany + France, like if you look around enough you start seeing connections/continuations from krautrock to NDW, or French avant/prog to coldwave and experimental synth things.

can see the huge appeal of something like the NWW list, or high-concept TG things, to a certain kind of young person in the pre-Internet age
 
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