Jordan Peterson thinks it makes sense to compare humans with lobsters

Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

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Individual places have individual climates. A garden or a car park can be said to have a "microclimate".

Climate is more like what weather tends to do when averaged over a period of years.
 
chava

chava

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just joking! climate is "weather, averaged" I'll go with that. I can see how some people that could be quite weird to model
 
shakahislop

shakahislop

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Occurred to me today that one of the attractions of Jordan, many others of his ilk, and some economic theories etc is that they provide a justification for selfishness. Which explains some of the queasy, uncomfortable feeling that I get around them. Coz a moral barrier against selfishness is pretty important.
 
IdleRich

IdleRich

IdleRich
Yep. Certainly seems that Rand doesn't just say that it's ok to be selfish but rather that it is vitally important to be as selfish as possible and that anyone not doing this or arguing against it is hugely immoral.

Slight caveat to my claim above in that I've never read her but that's what her adherents seem to believe anyway.
 
mixed_biscuits

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You have to bear in mind what Rand actually meant by these terms.

She was basically against any kind of coercion and by extension forced unselfishness, which she called 'altruism'. Voluntary unselfishness she called benevolence and that was fine.
 
john eden

john eden

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mixed_biscuits said:
You have to bear in mind what Rand actually meant by these terms.

She was basically against any kind of coercion and by extension forced unselfishness, which she called 'altruism'. Voluntary unselfishness she called benevolence and that was fine.
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It's a bit subjective whether it is forced or not, so I don't think that is a useful distinction.

Why was she against trade unions, which people join on a voluntary basis to further their material conditions in the workplace?
 
WashYourHands

WashYourHands

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Because the Bolsheviks stole her family‘s pharmacy. Her bitterness didn’t abate when she arrived in America, it festered and evolved

What is almost parody forming about Rand is the leap from cognitive function presupposition (a JP word if ever there was) to apex selfishness and pvt motorways
 
shiels

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shakahislop said:
Occurred to me today that one of the attractions of Jordan, many others of his ilk, and some economic theories etc is that they provide a justification for selfishness. Which explains some of the queasy, uncomfortable feeling that I get around them. Coz a moral barrier against selfishness is pretty important.
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Michael Brooks was good on this in Against The Web
 
mixed_biscuits

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john eden said:
It's a bit subjective whether it is forced or not, so I don't think that is a useful distinction.

Why was she against trade unions, which people join on a voluntary basis to further their material conditions in the workplace?
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There's no such thing as not-a-bit subjective when it comes to language.

I haven't seen anything by her on trade unions but maybe because they tend to encourage collectivist groupthink and routinely use coercion within and without ('you're either with us or against us').
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

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I just had to wait at a self-service checkout for someone to come over and make sure I was over 18 so I could buy a can of fucking Red Bull.

Rand was right, all governments should be destroyed.
 
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