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The fragmentation and fluidity and sense of being able to plug anything into anything else is something I got from all three and psychedelics.

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Different hallucinogens have different visual styles, right? Sometimes when you mix them whole new things come out too.
Oh absolutely! I've noticed that psilocybin visuals are very organic, wavy, all sinuous tendrils and vines; bufotenin (which is nearly but not quite the same chemical) is similar but more angular and geometric; mescaline is also geometric, sort of crystalline, and so on. I can't really imagine getting all this from meditation, but the visuals are ultimately cosmetic next to the psychological effects, aren't they? I mean luka says he doesn't visually trip at all, and he clearly finds them worthwhile.

I suspect a scientific rationalist would have quite a tough time breaking through, though ;p
I honestly think that if we had a chat face to face, instead of this very inefficient and clunky text medium, you might be surprised that we're not as different as you think. True, I don't believe in the literal, objective existence of magic or the supernatural, but if psychedelics have taught me anything, it's that you don't need mystical beliefs to have mystical experiences.

At any rate, I think that someone as incurious about these things are you apparently think I am would have no use for psychedelics in the first place - right?

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Lol, yeah, I guess we have. I'm aware that taking things too literally is a fault of mine.

But back to the topic at hand - yeah, once these are possible again, it'd be interesting to do some guided meditation and see where that takes my mental state - an experiment, in fact! - without any expectation along the lines of "I wonder how this will compare to two grams of dried cubies" or whatever.

I know a lot of people get a great deal out of yoga, too, but what puts me off about that is not the practice itself - people have been doing it for thousands of years, so there must be something in it - so much as the accretion of associations it's picked up much more recently in the West; posh hippies, yummy mummies, woke capitalists, Gw***th Pa***ow, etc. etc. I think I'd have a hard time getting past all that, tbh.


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Boiled down, the Bonny Method is defined as - “1) an individual form 2) of exploring consciousness (e.g., in healing, psychotherapy, self-development, spiritual work), 3) which involves spontaneous imaging 5) in an expanded state of consciousness 5) to pre-designed (taped) programs of *classical music, 6) while interacting with a guide, 7) who uses nondirective, non-analytical, music-based interventions, 8) within a client-centered orientation, 9) all within a session that has the following components: preliminary conversation, relaxation induction, guided music-imaging experience, return, and postlude discussion”

*not strictly classical these days, add a mass of ambient & drone as the practice develops. It’s the closest I’ve got to what’s termed soul flight in shamanic studies, without the use of pharmacological compounds. Community projects working with refugee war trauma increasingly draw on it, which allows trimming off the obvious new age associations. Highly recommended for anyone interested in consciousness studies & having a look behind the mirror of the mind.


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Interview with a psychiatrist who is using psilocybin, etc. to treat patients with PTSD.

She makes the point that people often say drugs destroy brain cells but in the case of psychedelics they actually grow brain cells (or at least neural pathways).