FINNEGANS WAKE.

catalog

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listened to mckenna's take on it finally... getting very tempting...
worried that this is going to do my head in more than trying to grapple with the Tanakh, but at least it seems rippingly funny.
do you have a link for that? i was thinking of reading 'ulysses' in june.
 

luka

Moderator
It's on YouTube but Robert Anton Wilson has an infinitely better grip on it. I love Terry McKenna but his Wake riff is not his best.
 

catalog

Active member
i think i might have listened to both before, but have forgotten it all. they both are influenced by mcluhan's views as well right?

i'll try and find them and listen again

(i am interested again in RAW and mckenna after a bit of a gap cos i read the tao lin book 'trip' recently. it's quite good - the non-fiction sections at the start are a bit hit and miss but the best bit is where he writes himself as the third person in a longish final chapter, a sort of novella i suppose, and describes going on a trip to SF to take part in a 'plant drawing' workshop with kathleen harrison (= mckennas ex-wife) where people basically draw plants/leaves under magnifiers to get a sense of the fractal nature of things. so it becomes less about drugs per se and more about perspectives in general... sorry wandering off topic a bit here)
 

luka

Moderator
To some degree yes but Mcluhan, characteristically, reads the Wake as an explication of his own theories, which seems unsatisfactory to me. RAW again is infinitely better.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
That Grapejuice guy reckons RAW's writing on Joyce is as interesting and worthwhile as Kenner's. Do you agree?
 

luka

Moderator
That Grapejuice guy reckons RAW's writing on Joyce is as interesting and worthwhile as Kenner's. Do you agree?
Is Kenner that hot on Joyce? He changed my understanding of Pound but Joyce I dunno. ... RAW is at least as good and probably better
 

yyaldrin

in je ogen waait de wind
i don't like reading this. i don't mind the language or the content, it's too private.
 

version

Who loves ya, baby?
They are real. He had a thing about Nora farting. There's a good one about him wanting to watch her do a shit in a cupboard or something.
 

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Who loves ya, baby?
“Fuck me if you can squatting in the closet, with your clothes up, grunting like a young sow doing her dung, and a big fat dirty snaking thing coming slowly out of your backside.”

—December 16, 1909
 

Corpsey

call me big papa
I wonder if Joyce came by his coprophilia via Rabelais or whether it was simply Catholicism?

It's a bit of a shame they're public, really, it's just fuel for detractors (though I suppose he's more or less unassailable by now).
 
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Who loves ya, baby?
It's a bit of a shame they're public, really, it's just fuel for detractors (though I suppose he's more or less unassialable by now.)
There's always someone who thinks they're really clever saying the love letters are his finest work.
 

luka

Moderator
The correspondence with his daughter was destroyed leading to speculation of an incestuous relationship and the transference of syphilis, the syphilis which sent her mad and him blind.

The wake is full of references to incest (and it Freudian twist into insects. Earwigger.(
 

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Who loves ya, baby?
Hopefully that isn't true, but wouldn't surprise me. Apparently he took her to see Jung at one point, but I'd heard she was schizophrenic rather than suffering from syphilis.
 
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