The Depths

luka

Well-known member
patty is just trying to do a bt of speculative stirring. the thing about automation removing the magerial class is a very good point. have you got any essays or anything about that for us?
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
algorithms are likely to start firing people in the next 5-10 years on a big scale. this isn't because the algorithms are inherently bad (if that were the case we'd have no algebraic equations) but because capital must concentrate and centralise even further and expand the amount of the total unemployed. The right winger who moans about scroungers taking hard earned cash has a point, he fears losing his own job. but being a conservative he sees this as natural.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
patty is just trying to do a bt of speculative stirring. the thing about automation removing the magerial class is a very good point. have you got any essays or anything about that for us?

there is a book that talks about it class power on 0 hours. when i get the pdf I'll see if I can copy the relevant essay. I remember reading something from the Angry Workers World collective in 2017 but can't find it now.
 

luka

Well-known member
what me and you need to do is work out how to provide more data to employers about employee behaviour. we need to work out how to catagorise performance. how to break it down into a series of different metrics. in the way footballers are meausred on miles covered, on pass completion, on tackle count and so on
 

pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
Wish more people would submit a track or piece of art relevant to the OP premise. Was going pretty well til I Alex Jonesed it on pg. 9. Literary works very much welcome if that's where you feel more comfortable talking depths
 

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
Quality thread. Don’t know where to begin, return for more drone heavy intersections and ambient, plus guitar based tones (Jerry Donahue‘s on Gypsy Davy specifically, Garcia, haters beware) and the odd folk tune.

When I was about 11, chanced upon Nosferatu by Herzog one night on the telly, so although Popol Vuh and Danse Macabre strangeness was one thing, the prelude to Das Rheingold was the deepest, most immersive listening experience I’d ever had. Big music family, lot of music played at home and it was this experience that changed me permanently. There was an instrumental version on Yt that‘s disappeared that gets the first transition down heavenly due to lack of jolting voice.

Few years later my Dad put this on one evening


The combination of harmonic ranges and the rhythm section shifted something temporally in my teenage bonce. It was a journey within 10,000 fathoms of sound, where you disintegrate and descend completely out of time. Ancient, yet contemporary. Spatial, but in relation to consciousness itself. I was there in a room but transported somewhere completely beyond language by those horns, out of space-time itself. I’m hacking away at attempting to describe transcendence here, transcendent music the likes of which a 13 year old rarely experiences or even fully understands when it appears. Maybe it was maturity, a developing mind finding the right tune at the right moment, figuring out its structure and chords (bass player fail), but could I play along to it? Could I fuck.

About a year later at a mate’s house, his older brother barged in with a new 12” and dropped this onto their record player. The known universe changed forever


Nottingham and Sheffield are close geographically and CV already had a following at school, but because of football rivalries and the more dirgeful synth pop atrocities coming out of Yorkshire, it took a while for them to sink in. Micro-Phonies was a bit esoteric for our ears previously, then this tune appeared. So, just as Don Cherry opened up new worlds with Degi Degi, Sensoria did something similar with drum programming, ultra hypnotic percussion and their signature vocal manipulation. It had a groove that was quantifiably the future. And it was just up the M1. The irony. And that squelchy bass lick. Which leads to....

Good ol’ House. There are hundreds of quality tracks that came before these, too many to list, but what happens when you cross Chez Damien and Ron Trent? Morning Factory and Space Riddims. They form a bridge across classic NY+NJ and i don’t want to say this and come the cunt but tropes, with the best music of this nature that‘s been made since. They also work best where they should, through a decent live system out under the stars with (perhaps) a mushroom brew. That’s the deepest musical experience of my life, overall. Hours in that space where 4x4 is really 1x1. Basic separation for tops, mids and bins, give the music as much clarity and punch as possible and to let it breathe. I miss it.
 

pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
Top thread. Going back to the original post - the search for transcendent moments becomes ever more important in a cultural environment that privileges words stripped bare to their literal meaning role. Dogged, unholy literalism everywhere, a world where the pre-lingual and the subconscious are intellectual concepts not visceral truths.
So the search for transcendence becomes a direct response, claiming back an ostracised and core aspect of the human experience. And music is one of the best enablers.

Aka why militant atheists/Rationality addicts are even worse -and madder-than religious maniacs.

2nd time I'm quoting this but I love this post.
 

mvuent

Void Dweller

Depth is a dimension of space; yet atthe same time it is a symbol for a spiritual quality. Most of our religious symbols have thischaracter, reminding us of our finitude and our bondage to things that are visible. We areand we remain sensuous beings even when we deal with spiritual things. There is, on theother hand, a great wisdom in our language. It is the embodiment of innumerableexperiences of the past. It is not by chance alone that we use certain visible symbols and donot use others. Therefore, it is often useful to find the reasons for the choices of thecollective mind of former generations. It may become of ultimate significance to us, whenwe see what is implied in the use of terms like "deep", "depth", and "profound", for theexpression of our spiritual life. It may give us the impulse to strive for our own depth.

Some-thing terriblytragic happens in all periods of man's spiritual life: Truths, once deep and powerful,discovered by the greatest geniuses through profound suffering and incredible labor,become shallow and superficial when used in daily discussion. How can and how does thistragedy occur? It can and does unavoidably occur, because there can be no depth withoutthe way to the depth. Truth without the way to truth is dead; if it still be used, it contributesonly to the surface of things.
But the mark of real depth is its simplicity. If you should say, "This is too profound for me;I cannot grasp it", you are self-deceptive. For you ought to know that nothing of realimportance is too profound for anyone
 

luka

Well-known member
"For you ought to know" this kind of construction, portentous, pompous, could definitely be anime avatar
"Truths, once deep and powerful,discovered by the greatest geniuses through profound suffering"
 

mvuent

Void Dweller
he's "widely regarded as one of the most influential theologians of the twentieth century" and had to leave germany in '33 because he was a prominent critic of hitler. so yeah, anime avatar guy.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
in terms of the militant stone cold hard depths

"glitchtrauma June 22, 2020

referencing Electris, 12", Communiqué 006, COMM 006
Paul Damage used to hammer A1 in his closing 6AM morning sets at House of God. Honestly the hardest thing you can hear in a club. Yes, there are many faster records, more aggressive records etc, but this is like a razorblade to the cranium. You can't get colder and sleazier than this.

Boy I miss Paul battering the shit out of the punters..."

 

entertainment

Well-known member
Top thread. Going back to the original post - the search for transcendent moments becomes ever more important in a cultural environment that privileges words stripped bare to their literal meaning role. Dogged, unholy literalism everywhere, a world where the pre-lingual and the subconscious are intellectual concepts not visceral truths.
So the search for transcendence becomes a direct response, claiming back an ostracised and core aspect of the human experience. And music is one of the best enablers.

Aka why militant atheists/Rationality addicts are even worse -and madder-than religious maniacs.

“All art constantly aspires towards the condition of music. For while in all other kinds of art it is possible to distinguish the matter from the form, and the understanding can always make this distinction, yet it is the constant effort of art to obliterate it.”
 
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