Extinction Rebellion

luka

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It sounds to me like you are making sainthood a precondition for political action. I don't think that's terribly practical.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
It sounds to me like you are making sainthood a precondition for political action. I don't think that's terribly practical.
I don't read baboon's post that way - it's a call for having a clue, not a halo.
 

luka

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Well do you have a clue? Or would you also make woeful misjudgements if you were commited to direct political action?
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Well do you have a clue? Or would you also make woeful misjudgements if you were commited to direct political action?
Well as you know I'm not someone who spends all their time marching and protesting, but even I could have told you that fucking up the trains at 7 a.m. in poor parts of London was a fucking stupid thing to do.
 

luka

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I, like anyone else whose heart is not made of stone,
laughed gleefully at that footage.

That's not the point.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
It sounds to me like you are making sainthood a precondition for political action. I don't think that's terribly practical.
Not at all what I was doing. I'm saying that it helps not to be tone deaf when carrying out political action, if you want to continue to build your supporter base. Tone deaf narcissism tends to alienate people, as we saw yesterday. How is that pragmatic?
 
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luka

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Again, these are people who believe there are minutes to go and the clock is ticking. They may well be right. How would you act if possessed by the same conviction?
This is the question I'm interested in.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
As far as I can see, not too many of us here other than OME are doing very much about this in the real world in response to that ticking clock. Why is that?

That's the question that I'm more interested in.
 

catalog

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As far as I can see, not too many of us here other than OME are doing very much about this in the real world in response to that ticking clock. Why is that?

That's the question that I'm more interested in.
Perhaps people have more pressing concerns?
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
Definitely a part of it. Another part is the intellectual understanding that this is probably going to happen, but the lack of an appropriate emotional reaction to imminent catastrophe. Aided by the sense that somehow it will be sorted at the last minute, everything will turn out OK, which I think is typical to human behaviour, an adaptation even to the gravest circumstances.
 

luka

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I've mostly been riffing on corpseys work but I have started to address this stuff.
 

luka

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I'm well aware of that which is why I'm trying to get you to be serious and focus your mind
 

catalog

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Definitely a part of it. Another part is the intellectual understanding that this is probably going to happen, but the lack of an appropriate emotional reaction to imminent catastrophe. Aided by the sense that somehow it will be sorted at the last minute, everything will turn out OK, which I think is typical to human behaviour, an adaptation even to the gravest circumstances.
i don't know if this article has been posted in this thread already, but i found it quite interesting/moving at the time i read it:

http://www.lifeworth.com/deepadaptation.pdf

I suppose the issue for non-specialists is that they need to be convinced, or that the stakes for them need to be high enough. ie their lack of appropriate emotional reaction is based upon them being able to file it away, which could be for various reasons. One is, like you say, they think it will all be OK in the end, but another could be that they need to feel/see/experience something that does make them understand? And they haven't yet? As in, Jem Bendell, the author of the paper, looked at all the data, and made his decision. That same experience won'h happen for everyone who reads his paper though, they might need the information in a different way.

Yet another reason could be that for some people, they have more pressing issues to deal with day to day eg going to work, getting paid, surviving in debt or whatever.
 

luka

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Yes most people have 'more pressing concerns' how do you mobilise those who don't and what action do you take? It's just a fun thought experiment. Strategise.
 
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