josef k.

Dangerous Mystagogue
What is your criterion for determining if an art gallery or a bookshop or a speaker may be legitimately targeted for political repression, and who, in your opinion, has the right to forcibly repress examples of expression they oppose? And who doesn't have that right?

nobody can answer this, and nobody is brave enough to try.

as predicted.
 

Leo

Well-known member
as predicted.

another question would be: why does the art gallery, bookshop or speaker allow themselves to be "repressed"? why don't they stand up to those who disagree with them, persevere, instead of playing the victim card?
 

sadmanbarty

Well-known member
joe you absolute fanny, can you stop pretending to be a shitty bond villain and act like a normal human being please.

john, droid, et al feel they've said their piece and have explicitly said they've got nothing more to add. you may well feel like there are galring flaws in their arguments or they've mischaracterised your positions, but unfortunately the discussion you keep trying to have has finished. it's over. stop trying to dig it up.

if you have something more emotionally resonant you want to get off of your chest that'd be great (and a genuinely positive step). if you want to say "guys, your behaviour surrounding nina and this situation has cost her a job and her reputation and you should be ashamed of yourselves" that'd be wicked. i (and others) would applaud you for your candour. i think it'd (eventually at least) encourage others to soften their position and maybe even express remorse for what happened.

you acting like a school shooter is just humiliating for all of us to watch. it makes you look like an idiot, it doesn't stimulate conversation and it doesn't move things on from this horrible situation that's afflicted poor old nina.

and for the love of god can you please at least acknowledge the goblin nonce thing!
 

sadmanbarty

Well-known member
it's been 25 minutes, so it's seemed like he's not going to post tonight.

what i'll say is this joe.

i've posted loads of nonsense (very literally nonsensical) stuff about you in the past few days.

i did it to get your attention. it was puerile attention seeking. i can't deny it. if it came across as malice i do genuinely apologise.

now that i do have your attention, i would like you to stick around and play with us a bit more. no more political chats. fun stuff. post a choon of the day with a great description of how the song makes you feel. join in with our silly threads.

use my joseph k's poetry thread as a place for you to test ideas and discover your ethos. you've imbued this place with an energy and an electricity which i don't want to see go to waste.

you've also been treated like the scum of the earth and that's not fair. the way to remedy that is to show a human side.

hope to have fun soon joe.

again, sorry if i was too naughty.
 

josef k.

Dangerous Mystagogue
unfortunately the discussion you keep trying to have has finished.

oh, I know, you all embarrassed yourselves mightily, but god and I forgive you. I’m talking to the lurkers now.

lurkers! this is how it is. the people here, and not just them, don’t know what they are saying, what they think, or why they feel a certain way. they hate who they are told to hate, but they do not know why; in truth they hate themselves. they are not bad people, necessarily; they are afraid, unhappy and confused about things in their lives, and the world, some quite resentfully, they consume too much corporate and state media and they don’t realise how it lies to them, how systematically, maliciously... they don’t know how to be free. they want to be part of a group, and be good guys, be something or someone, for someone, or something, and they don’t understand that freedom, which is their birthright, as it was mine, and yours, comes through the rediscovery of how to be alone. When the dust of these years settles it will be obvious who has acted with sincerity and courage, and who has not, it is obvious already, to everyone with eyes, see them. listen! can you hear the beauty of the silence underneath the screams? still do not despise the others. and think of me whatever you want. act with courage and sincerity yourself, and also mischief, joy. choose your own path, disregard all those you don’t respect, separate yourself from them, your thoughts from theirs. do not fear death, seek no reward, but only marvel at the majesty of god’s creation, your life is yours alone and everyone is perfectly autonomous.
 

sadmanbarty

Well-known member
joe, we spent a whole page discussing whether you were or weren't a goblin nonce! why are you still trying to have a serious conversation?!
 

sadmanbarty

Well-known member
please talk to me joe. not in some fey way. not like a rubbish colonel kurtz. in a normal person way.

"lol, what the fuck's a goblin nonce?"

"yeah i'm sorry barty, i just can't believe how cowardly these lot are. shockingly cowardly."

"jesus! bit harsh on my poems guys."

joe? is there a human being there?
 

sadmanbarty

Well-known member
like all of us, it's your defence mechanisms that are actually your most repellent quality.

not just you, everybody. the things we do to compensate for the self-perceived chinks in our armour are ironically our most grotesque qualities.

joe i like you when you're dressed like kamal ahmed and showing off with your poem. i don't like you when you're faux-arrogant and weird on dissensus.

be you, there's nothing wrong with that.
 

luka

Well-known member
He's sorry he called you a pencil. He didn't know what he was saying, what he was thinking or why he was feeling a certain way.
 

luka

Well-known member
I started reading one thing but it turned out to be some boring book review but there's bound to be good stuff on there. He's not a talentless man. Not a people person admittedly
 
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