luka
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no no you go ahead. i didnt mean it. was just trying to encourage craner.
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no no you go ahead. i didnt mean it. was just trying to encourage craner.
obviously i wrote all this before the thread drifted to something completely different AGAIN at least 20 times. ugh.
it’s funny to me that king said that kubrick was a man who “thinks too much and feels too little” because that’s totally contrary to what makes the shining great. i understand why he said that, but where the movie really excels is in how vividly it conveys the feeling of the psychic force the title alludes to.
it’s even there in the editing. that scene at the beginning where danny is in front of a mirror and gets hit with images from the overlook is a good example. even besides the memorability of the images he’s receiving, just the pace at which they’re shown feels “wrong” in a way that’s otherworldly and unsettling. the way the blood pouring out of the elevator seems to take forever, while the image of the twins appears and disappears so fast it’s almost subliminal (but instantly imprints itself in your mind). or how when the “ghosts” are shown they don’t occupy space and time in a consistent way. you’ll see an shot of mrs. massey walking towards jack, followed by one of her still floating lifelessly in the bathtub. it makes no practical sense, but intuitively resonates with me as how one would experience “shining” if it were real. (which it arguably is, but still.)
i haven’t seen most of his other movies, but with kubrick i get the impression that when he’s actually creating something, he’s not necessarily trying to go out of his way to be intellectual, he’s more focused on getting the visceral / psychological impact right. but he’s probably just one of those people who always seem to have weird, interesting theories about stuff in general (kind of like luka) that can’t help but come through in how he tells stories. like, i don’t know if the film is about the genocide of native americans, etc. but those thematic forces can certainly explain a lot of the strange “minor” choices that crop up.
for example, yeah, it definitely seems to me like kubrick had some kind of “thing” about old boy network parties. as in, he was attentive to how they can epitomize this entrenched, aristocratic, epstein-style evil. which shapes the imagery in the second half of the shining (and in the book, king is gesturing towards that when he has jack become obsessed with the history of the hotel). i mean that’s obviously been a dynamic in hollywood forever. that’s why i was wondering if this story could be true.
anyways ignore all that. the important thing about the shining is that while kubrick’s adaptation can feel like a comedy, the king adaptation literally is a comedy:
it’s funny to me that king said that kubrick was a man who “thinks too much and feels too little” because that’s totally contrary to what makes the shining great. i understand why he said that, but where the movie really excels is in how vividly it conveys the feeling of the psychic force the title alludes to.
it’s even there in the editing. that scene at the beginning where danny is in front of a mirror and gets hit with images from the overlook is a good example. even besides the memorability of the images he’s receiving, just the pace at which they’re shown feels “wrong” in a way that’s otherworldly and unsettling. the way the blood pouring out of the elevator seems to take forever, while the image of the twins appears and disappears so fast it’s almost subliminal (but instantly imprints itself in your mind). or how when the “ghosts” are shown they don’t occupy space and time in a consistent way. you’ll see an shot of mrs. massey walking towards jack, followed by one of her still floating lifelessly in the bathtub. it makes no practical sense, but intuitively resonates with me as how one would experience “shining” if it were real. (which it arguably is, but still.)
i haven’t seen most of his other movies, but with kubrick i get the impression that when he’s actually creating something, he’s not necessarily trying to go out of his way to be intellectual, he’s more focused on getting the visceral / psychological impact right. but he’s probably just one of those people who always seem to have weird, interesting theories about stuff in general (kind of like luka) that can’t help but come through in how he tells stories. like, i don’t know if the film is about the genocide of native americans, etc. but those thematic forces can certainly explain a lot of the strange “minor” choices that crop up.
for example, yeah, it definitely seems to me like kubrick had some kind of “thing” about old boy network parties. as in, he was attentive to how they can epitomize this entrenched, aristocratic, epstein-style evil. which shapes the imagery in the second half of the shining (and in the book, king is gesturing towards that when he has jack become obsessed with the history of the hotel). i mean that’s obviously been a dynamic in hollywood forever. that’s why i was wondering if this story could be true.
anyways ignore all that. the important thing about the shining is that while kubrick’s adaptation can feel like a comedy, the king adaptation literally is a comedy:
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luka
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i know, i know. i am going to get better at this i promise. im trying to get over some personal weaknesses.
version
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Why does the bloke in the thumbnail look like Christian Bale?
luka
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i think im more or less a Kubrick beleiver. but i also think one of the interesting things about him, as i was trying to explain, is how what makes his films interesting, are things which can easily make them seem, to someone with a refined sensibilitiy and a sensitive aesthetic barometer like craner, horribly gauche and maladroit.
shiels
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The other day I was trying to make my ‘objectifications‘ more noble to a friend talking about how I think I’m more sensitive to human beauty, how it actually hurts!!
luka
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not everyone has this affliction shiels. if you try and make them understand first they'll take you for a braggart, then they'll crucify you.
version
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shiels
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I sympathise with your point of having to unlearn these responses. I have a strong disgust and a strong this is the best thing ever. And you get invested in that and other people enjoy it but it doesn’t necessarily cohere, it’s fickle basically. So it’s good to have curiosity about your own taste
luka
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it's tricky isn't it. it's not necessarily a good or useful thing to undermine the foundations of your own personality. but at the same time you eventually find people you admire for being able to do things you can't do, and you realise you have limitations, and blind spots, and blocakages, and weaknesses and you wonder if those can't be corrected to some degree.
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linebaugh
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its out! Apparently I'm late.