Mark Fell, Rian Treanor, Gabor Lazar

[version]

Mark Fell's publishing a book next year.

Structure and Synthesis

An anthology of pioneer sound artist Mark Fell's work charting his defiantly unorthodox thinking on time, structure, technology, and the relation between aca...

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In this extensive anthology, Mark Fell, a pioneering artist known for his sound installations and his musical work solo and as part of SND and Sensate Focus, assembles a collection of diverse materials charting his defiantly unorthodox thinking on time, structure, technology, and the relation between academic and popular electronic music.

An amalgam of workbook and manifesto, featuring a collection of interleaved statements, diagrammatic scores, and instructional texts, Structure and Synthesis is a direct engagement with Fell’s original thinking and his continual provocations in regard to ‘experimental’ music. Alongside reflections on theory and practice, the volume includes exercises for dismantling musical expertise, habits, and intuitions, documenting Fell’s explorations of the peripheries of rhythm, shape and time in perception and performance.

 

[version]

Luka's going to be well into it.

 

[shiels]

I think I enjoy people writing about music they hate more than music they love. Maybe it’s easier to be entertaining with hatred

 

[version]

I think I enjoy people writing about music they hate more than music they love. Maybe it’s easier to be entertaining with hatred

I've always thought DeLillo nailed Dissensus here,

“He'd once told me that the art of getting ahead in New York was based on learning how to express dissatisfaction in an interesting way. The air was full of rage and complaint. People had no tolerance for your particular hardship unless you knew how to entertain them with it.”

 

[linebaugh]

Hate is immediate, from the past, much easier to ascertain why you hate something. Love/like can be slippery, from the new.

 

[shiels]

IPeople had no tolerance for your particular hardship unless you knew how to entertain them with it.” [/I]

That’s true. Im thinking of people who moan or moralise without thought to make it interesting Or funny or useful or energising in some way

 

[shiels]

“Here’s why this isn’t good enough” does seem to be the starting point on dissensus

 

[mvuent]

Banger. Hopefully the rest of the album's as good.

i like this a lot but it does illustrate why i haven't gotten into this particular "school" very much. the way the sound world feels so neatly controlled and sealed off feels somewhat boring. obviously stuff made with very limited materials can be great, but i think it works better when there's a sense of pushing against the material confines, either by a) pushing the limits of what's possible with said materials or b) by having elements from an outside world leak in. shiels labeouf was talking about the latter in his jungle thread. this does neither imo, which contributes to the self-satisfied graphic designer vibe. i genuinely enjoy it, but to me it doesn't evoke any sense of wonder. which really limits my enthusiasm.

 

[version]

Hate is immediate, from the past, much easier to ascertain why you hate something. Love/like can be slippery, from the new.

You can also be a bit more free and ambitious with hate because you aren't trying to preserve the thing in question. You can go to town when you're knocking things down.

 

[version]

i like this a lot but it does illustrate why i haven't gotten into this particular "school" very much. the way the sound world feels so neatly controlled and sealed off feels somewhat boring. obviously stuff made with very limited materials can be great, but i think it works better when there's a sense of pushing against the material confines, either by a) pushing the limits of what's possible with said materials or b) by having elements from an outside world leak in. shiels labeouf was talking about the latter in his jungle thread. this does neither imo, which contributes to the self-satisfied graphic designer vibe. i genuinely enjoy it, but to me it doesn't evoke any sense of wonder. which really limits my enthusiasm.

You read Fell's thing on limitations I posted on the first page? I assume it'll be one of the bits in the book.

Collateral Damage: Mark Fell - The Wire

Mark Fell argues that the limits of technological systems do not frustrate creativity.

www.thewire.co.uk

 

[luka]

version doesn't like this music any more. he's changed his mind.

 

[mvuent]

You read Fell's thing on limitations I posted on the first page? I assume it'll be one of the bits in the book.

Collateral Damage: Mark Fell - The Wire

Mark Fell argues that the limits of technological systems do not frustrate creativity.

www.thewire.co.uk

oh right, i did. to be perfectly honest, i just think that if they think they're doing the same thing phuture did with acid tracks, then they're fooling themselves. personally don't hear any limits being pushed or creative misuse in gabor lazar - source. it sounded very mannered, and exactly like i expected.

 

[version]

version doesn't like this music any more. he's changed his mind.

You're not gonna Source Direct me on this.

 

[version]

oh right, i did. to be perfectly honest, i just think that if they think they're doing the same thing phuture did with acid tracks, then they're fooling themselves. personally don't hear any limits being pushed or creative misuse in gabor lazar - source. it sounded very mannered, and exactly like i expected.

I dunno that he's speaking for anyone other than himself there, so you'd have to go at him via his own tunes rather than Lazar's.

 

[mvuent]

to be clear i'm not trying to convince anyone that these artists are bad. i'm more hoping for the opposite, that i'll somehow come to better appreciate them. just thinking out loud about my own lack of interest in the hopes that my pov on it changes.

 

[luka]

to be clear i'm not trying to convince anyone that these artists are bad.

why not?

 

[luka]

i think its very very bad music. i think they should be stopped from making it. and i think that we should stop people from listening to it. i think that is our responsibility.

 

[mvuent]

shiels labeouf

nothing???? alright i'm done with this thread, have fun lads

 

[shiels]

Sorry I missed that. What does it mean?

 

[version]

Gabor Lazar's become more club-friendly than he used to be.

2015.


2020.