luka

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i dont know anything about it either. i dont think trying to get employed by the inteligence agencies is a very good way of avoiding situations which would warrant whistleblowing though. maybe try getting a job at a shoe shop?
 

thirdform

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Aside from CIA, maybe ARPA or some ARPA auxiliary. Maybe DIA. Maybe ODNI. Maybe even just some private think tank to eventually operate in an advisory capacity. As of now I take the side of liberal democracy, ideally unto a multipolar world order but I doubt how feasible that is for the foreseeable future.

100 years too late then. Mussolini and later then Hitler were the death of liberal democracy in the concrete.
 

Clinamenic

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I'm talking mitigation, not total avoidance. As I've mentioned elsewhere, I think the general duties of bodies and officers in the intelligence community necessitate secrecy to some degree, but that doesn't mean that all secrecy persists in bad faith.

Also I think we are bound to what secrets we inherit, in which cases the decisions to enter into bad-faith secrecy were not ours to make but are ours to deal with.
 

Clinamenic

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100 years too late then. Mussolini and later then Hitler were the death of liberal democracy in the concrete.
What do you mean by concrete? I mean what exists now in the U.S. to whatever degree of corruption it involves. Work with what we have. I am still a utopian and a pragmatist about what reality is to be moved toward, however ostensibly futile.
 

thirdform

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What do you mean by concrete? I mean what exists now in the U.S. to whatever degree of corruption it involves. Work with what we have. I am still a utopian and a pragmatist about what reality is to be moved toward, however ostensibly futile.

If you want to be a utopian you'll never understand. history does not proceed by the power of utopia alone, myth is a weapon of combat, not an ideal. You must confront the actual, no matter how depressed it may make one.
 

Clinamenic

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If you want to be a utopian you'll never understand. history does not proceed by the power of utopia alone, myth is a weapon of combat, not an ideal. You must confront the actual, no matter how depressed it may make one.
I agree, and yet I can hardly claim to have confronted even a relatively significant chunk of the actual. Still somewhat early in stess-testing this method, averse to biting off too much too quickly and being unable to recover.
 

Clinamenic

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I say utopian with no absolute attachment to the concepts entailed thereby. Just seems like a term that I would be called by the more experienced among us, with the implications of naivete it carries.
 

Clinamenic

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I do believe in the situational power of ideas though, even ideas that have not fully enough confronted actuality.
 

thirdform

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I agree, and yet I can hardly claim to have confronted even a relatively significant chunk of the actual. Still somewhat early in stess-testing this method, averse to biting off too much too quickly and being unable to recover.

Well if you are serious about all of this then I would advise 10 years of study for 10 hours a day for 10 months like al-ghazali who held his tongue. If it is a hobby or a pursuit then, being a magpie is good. But that depends on your own disposition.
 

Clinamenic

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That is a rate I cannot currently muster, nor do I have the specialized focus I suspect you would advise. A bit of a mess, then, but one I am borderline vocational about sorting out and operationalizing.
 

thirdform

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That is a rate I cannot currently muster, nor do I have the specialized focus I suspect you would advise. A bit of a mess, then, but one I am borderline vocational about sorting out and operationalizing.

You can. install a screen reader and you can read and listen to music at the same time.
 

Clinamenic

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That seems in line with things I have tried, albeit not nearly to such sustained levels. Trance focus, time flying by.
 

Clinamenic

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Your "scattershot" critique of my approach still applies, as far as I would say, and yet I would still insist on it unto some upcoming threshold. The autodidact thread shows this. Whether on my part that is merely cowardly stubbornness, or foresight, I cannot say with certainty.
 
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