Give me Disco. At least they knew how to play goddamn instruments. Club music is club music. Disposable, a product of its time and social scene. Stripped of its 'newness' and its social context it barely qualifies as music. Purely functional, and purely intended to keep the cattle dumb, wasted, and self-satisfied before the slaughter.
 

thirdform

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better to be self-satisfied than a provocateur with delusions of grandeur who can't get out of mommy's basement and needs his gf to wipe his bottom.
 
Don't make me deconstruct the Dissensus framework. I almost sort of like some of the people behind that and I don't want to hurt any feelings. YOU ARE NOT INTELLECTUALS, LEFTISTS, OR ANTI-CAPITALISTS. Or if you are, you failed and became addicted to popular media consumption just like everyone else.
 

thirdform

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Don't make me deconstruct the Dissensus framework. I almost sort of like some of the people behind that and I don't want to hurt any feelings. YOU ARE NOT INTELLECTUALS, LEFTISTS, OR ANTI-CAPITALISTS. Or if you are, you failed and became addicted to popular media consumption just like everyone else.
no, deconstruct it. deconstruct it like deconstructed club. I'll wait.
 

thirdform

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I need some time to wind up. Give me a few days I have a real job. BTW how do you pay the bills?
bollocks this is because if you take adorno's approach then disco becomes subject to exactly the same dismissal which you gave to club music. a music that promises transcendence but doesn't fulfill it, disco is just the most debased commodity then, routinised, conservative and made into an unchanging cannon with ruthless territorialism applied to it.
 
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thirdform

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Huh? I'm right wing? Where is the proof? News to me.

I enjoy your nonsense statements.
I didn't say you are right wing. you are saying we aren't real leftists on here. ok. noone will care about that if you start acting like a ponce here. before you think you're trolling take a course in reading comprehension. could do you some good.
 

thirdform

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Ah hell just shut down my right to post. I only come here to read my posts and interactions from 10 years ago.
Freedom of speech to start a nonce thread. the thing is you could make a valid point that EDM is disposable music but picking disco is the worst possible example to make that point, you would be better off picking serialism or 12 tone.
 

thirdform

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I'm working on a PhD in English but I can't comprehend a word you are saying. One of us is on drugs apparently.
definitely you. I knocked drugs on the head ages ago. it's a shit sign if you can't remember what you even took.. some might even say it's a warning to slow down.
 
Just to clarify: the 'nonce thread' referred to was about Billie Eilish, had nothing to do with sex, and I just got frustrated that no one could talk about her music or style in an intelligent way. Pedos are the lowest form of life on Earth. I'm about to meathook one of them. Meathook through the orbital cavity, bone shattered by steel toe boots. And I will get away with it. Fucker raped two of my cousins, and my brother.

EDIT: there was one intelligent response, by m9284379374219 (an approximation), then it was downhill from there.
 

luka

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Give me Disco. At least they knew how to play goddamn instruments. Club music is club music. Disposable, a product of its time and social scene. Stripped of its 'newness' and its social context it barely qualifies as music. Purely functional, and purely intended to keep the cattle dumb, wasted, and self-satisfied before the slaughter.
Ok it is true that there is sense in which dissensus is an exclusive members club although clearly it doesn't stop you from limboing under the velvet rope. The sense in which it is an exclusive members club is that there are a few fundamental assumptions shared by the majority of people here and not challenged in any serious way by the minority of dissenters.

There are battles which have already been fought and won. There is a conversation with a history, a series of moves, we have got to a particular point collectively. We have a past. Certain people have been laughed out of town, certain ideas have been laughed out of town.

"At least they can play their goddam instruments" is obviously not going to get any traction here. "Purely functional" tends to code as compliment in this context. The keep the cattle dumb stuff will only invite sneers. This is because dissensus is a long running conversation in progress. Because it has a past. It's NOT an exclusive members club in the sense that anyone can crash that conversation and willfully ignore everything that has been said in the past, ignore all context and sensibilities, be snottily provocative to no end, but it IS an exclusive members club in the sense that that sort of behaviour will get short shrift.

You're more than welcome to mount a forensic investigation into these basic assumptions and biases. I would welcome that. They're not necessarily built on solid rock. They are, essentially, pre-intellectual, pre-rationalisation. They are the Things We Like, in the way a plant grows towards the light.

I don't really see the point in just ignoring the people in the room, calling them all stupid, and then getting annoyed when they dismiss you. This doesn't seem to me to be a recipe for success.
 

luka

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If you want to be clever, be clever. If you want to analyse, then analyse. If you want to critique, critique. But antagonising, baiting, trolling, insulting with no substance behind it and no attempt to understand and fit in with the conversation which is already in progress doesn't prove you are smarter than we are and it doesn't prove we are intolerant goons, Agent Smiths determined to shut down all dangerous free thinking radicals from outside the Matrix.

We've got a few people here at the moment who are in this stage of trying to work out who we are and what's going on. It's an interesting process and worth thinking about. How do we break them? How do we make them conform? How do we teach them what our taboos are? How do we inculcate our values? How do we protect what we have? How do we circle the wagons? How do we chase out saboteurs and raiders? Etc etc etc. Because ultimately we do want to have our conversation and not have to keep refighting the same old battles or explaining things from first principles or etc etc etc.
 
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