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Ronaldo only won two league titles in Spain, Messi won seven or eight in the same period. Messi also has four CL titles, so he's only one behind Ronaldo's four with Madrid and one with United.Ronaldo has certainly won more hasn't he? European Cup with Portugal, 4 CLs with Madrid, one with United... countless leagues in UK and Spain. How many CL has Messi won? Xavi and Iniesta have a better trophy haul I guess cos they've won everything at club level with Barcelona and everything at international level with Spain.
Major Intl trophies - Ron One, Messi None
CL or equivalent - Ron Fve, Messi Four
League Championships - Ronnie approx one million, Leo approx two million
Domestic cups - both in the billions I guess
Yeah but I wasn't arguing about who is the best. I was saying that Ronaldo's trophy haul is better... I didn't say it explicitly but I kinda meant despite being the lesser player. I guess the biggest team achievement he was involved in was 4 CLS in a row - really bizarre cos I don't think anyone would argue that they were the best team in Europe for all four of those years.Messi's won more league titles with Barca than Ronaldo has with Sporting, United, Madrid and Juve combined. He's won more cup titles. He's come out on top when they've gone head to head in both the Champions League - beat United in the final, knocked Madrid out in the semis - and in Spain. He has more golden boots and, I think, more scoring titles and records in general. He's won two trebles and Ronaldo's yet to win his first. He's scored 91 goals in a single year. Also he's two years younger and has played two fewer seasons at top level. Ronaldo's Euros win and additional CL obviously count for a lot, but I don't think it's enough to edge it or hide the fact he only managed two league titles with Madrid in the nine seasons he was there.
Other than that, I think when you actually watch them it becomes quite clear who's the better of the two. Messi scores just as frequently as Ronaldo whilst performing at a similarly high level as a playmaker. He does for Barca what Ronaldo and Modric were expected to do for Madrid between the two of them.
Yeah absolutely. When you see those youtube arguments and stuff you often see people going "Messi was only good with Xavi and Iniesta" - but I don't give that much time (and I know that's not what you're saying) cos then you look at Iniesta and there will be people saying "Messi made him good" and so on.... you get for the whole team, apparently they were only good cos they were made to look good by the genius around them.Both played with some of the finest players of the modern game too. Imho Messi always had better team-mates onboard, don't know if that counts as a positive or negative bias though.