Mr. Tea

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he caused Tusko to lose his mind and die

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Conducted by Dr Louis Jolyon "Jolly" West and two colleagues, the experiment took place in 1962 at the University of Oklahoma. West's stated intention was to see whether LSD - yet to hit the streets as a recreational drug - would induce a condition called musth in Tusko. Musth, which occurs naturally in all bull elephants, is a period of heightened testosterone production and high aggression. Why West should have been interested in this is unclear, though he has repeatedly been linked to the CIA's MK Ultra programme, which had been experimenting with LSD on unwitting subjects like Tusko since 1953.

Tusko, "the prize of Oklahoma City Zoo", was injected with 297mg of LSD, an enormous dose even for an elephant, and more than 30 times what a three-tonne human might receive. After five minutes, Tusko trumpeted, fell over, defecated and began shuddering violently; his pupils dilated, his legs became stiff, he bit his tongue and his breathing became laboured.

Twenty minutes later, in an attempt to calm him, a large (again, almost certainly too large) amount of the anti-psychotic Thorazine was injected into the elephant, probably inducing a massive drop in blood pressure and heart palpitations. It didn't help; after another hour West pumped Tusko with a tranquilliser, and a few minutes later he was dead. The whole process took one hour and 40 minutes.
I'd heard of this before. What a horribly cruel and pointless thing to do.
 

william_kent

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I've just been reading Sharon Tate by Ed Sanders - Tate & Polanski were supposed to be at the Ambassador on that evening, but for some reason went to "party" elsewhere. In the afterword, with little to no evidence, Sanders says that Manson may have been contracted by an "English satanic group" ( he's presumably attempting to avoid another lawsuit by the Process ) to kill Tate because she "knew too much" about Sirhan Sirhan and the RFK assassination...
 

catalog

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Is it good that book? Cos I briefly read some of Ed Sanders other stuff, his poetry, and had it in mind to pick that mansion book up
 

version

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I've just been reading Sharon Tate by Ed Sanders - Tate & Polanski were supposed to be at the Ambassador on that evening, but for some reason went to "party" elsewhere. In the afterword, with little to no evidence, Sanders says that Manson may have been contracted by an "English satanic group" ( he's presumably attempting to avoid another lawsuit by the Process ) to kill Tate because she "knew too much" about Sirhan Sirhan and the RFK assassination...

This is intriguing too.

 

william_kent

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Is it good that book? Cos I briefly read some of Ed Sanders other stuff, his poetry, and had it in mind to pick that mansion book up

The Sharon book is short and contains recycled chunks of the 2002 edition of The Family, and I presume his RFK book as well ( I'll have to pick up a copy of that one to confirm ). It manages to cleverly incorporate scurrilous showbiz gossip while narrowly avoiding litigation - for example:

During the murder trial of Manson and his disciples, reporters exchanged information. An NBC reporter told me an anecdote about the housewarming party, supposedly emanating from the producer of The Love Machine. Nancy Sinatra, the story went, grew incensed over the open dope-smoking at the party, and so she demanded her escort take her away forthwith. As they were walking past a white wrought-iron settee on the lawn, they noticed Warren Beatty and Jane Fonda and Roger Vadim sitting together.

After Miss Sinatra and escort began walking to their car, they came across a group of long-haired hippies who asked them, "Where's the party?". They motioned back up the hill, and later wondered if the spores of Helter Skelter had been pointed into the Cielo Drive estate.

John Phillips, the leader of the Mamas and Papas, described a midsized orgy ( only five people ) he says occurred after the Polanski housewarming party ( at another location ) starring himself, his wife, a well-known movie director, and his extremely famous movie star wife, plus another single male movie star. ( For the names see Papa John: An Autobiography, by John Phillips with Jim Jerome, p. 291 )


I'm pretty sure all the names of the participants of the "midsized orgy" are named above, but I'll have to wait for the copy of Papa John that I have ordered to arrive.

@catalog You enjoyed Jarett Kobek's Motor Spirit book? Then you'll like Sander's The Family book. The best way to read it is the original UK first edition where he gets away with recounting all the Process Church and Solar Lodge of the OTO stuff, and then to read the 2002 edition which is updated with new "information", but either will do. There's enough "motor spirit" in both: kangaroo courts in the Haight Asbury "Devil House", the Gyspy Jokers 1% MC running "trains" while the brothers from the Process observe dispassionately, Dennis Wilson being robbed blind, Brian Wilson's wife compulsively scrubbing down the toilet seat after the Family recorded at Brian's home studio, and all sorts of psychedelic sleaze. I love it.
 
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william_kent

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Lisa Pease, the author of that RFK book, was a daily poster on alt.conspiracy.jfk in the 90s - based on what I remember of her posts from there I'll probably stump up the £20 for it
 

catalog

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That book I read recently about mansion, can't remember the title or author but the journalist who went on this 20 year odyssey, he references the Sanders book a lot. I'll pick it up.
 

william_kent

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That book I read recently about mansion, can't remember the title or author but the journalist who went on this 20 year odyssey, he references the Sanders book a lot. I'll pick it up.

that sounds like it could be Tom O'Neill's Chaos - 20 years of falling down a rabbit hole and coming out the other end with a half-arsed CIA plot that never goes anywhere, although I have to admit I did enjoy it...
 

Corpsey

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The suspect is an architect and has lived much of his life in Massapequa Park on Long Island. According to an interview he did with a YouTuber, he has worked in Manhattan since 1987.[101] Authorities began to seriously consider him as a suspect in March 2022 after discovering that a Chevrolet Avalanche registered in his name had been linked to one of the killings by a witness. Further investigation of his cellphone records indicated that he had been in contact with three of the four victims. Through June 2023, an email account linked to the suspect had conducted online searches of the investigation's progress. Court records also indicated that he had searched the internet for "sadistic materials, child pornography, [and] images of the victims and their relatives."[101][102] Hair believed to be from the suspect's wife, who was out of state during the murders, was found on or near the victims and was matched using DNA testing. DNA taken from a pizza box discarded by the suspect was also used in his identification.[103]

I'm picturing

Patrick-Bateman-American-Psycho.jpg
 

Corpsey

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It was late last summer that Mr. Heuermann, sweaty and wearing a dingy T-shirt and shorts, was spotted at the Massapequa Park Whole Foods pilfering clementines from a bowl put out for children.

“He took three and put them in his pocket, then he took more,” said Tara Alonzo, a clerk at the store. After a few more rounds she called him out. “I said, ‘Sir, those are for the kids,’” she recalled. She said Mr. Heuermann yelled back and became so heated that her manager escorted him out. She did not see his face again until it appeared on TV on Friday.

“My co-worker said, ‘That’s the orange guy!’”
 

wild greens

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There's a pretty good Channel 4 documentary on the murders from a few years ago.



Surely there are more bodies than currently known on this fellas slate, can't see him just stopping
 

version

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You like to think you can tell, but I think most people look shady in a mugshot because of the face they have to pull and the fact you're looking at a mugshot.
 
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